Do you support Abortion in the case of rape?

Embryologists aren't experts on human development?

 

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Neither of these examples are necessarily about a fetus, which shows why accurate terminology is important in an abortion discussion.

 

So do you consider the fetus a person or not? Does a fetus have any rights?

 

I believe in the gradualist theory. As the fetus develops, it is gradually becoming a person, and officially becomes a person when it is detached from the woman. As the fetus nears birth,it is more difficult to terminate the pregnancy, but giving it rights at that point is not necessary because women don't abort "on a whim" after months of pregnancy. It is only done for medical reasons. Giving a fetus rights at that point creates a conflict with the woman's rights.

 

So is it a person at any point before birth or not?

Not sure why this is such a difficult question for you. Why all the equivocation?

I am not asking for an "official" response. I am asking for your opinion.

You seem to be saying you will defer to whatever the law decides...that your opinion will be the same as whatever the law says at a given time. Is this correct?

Why?

 

Except that most studies show a correlation between higher education and pro-choice views, particularly at the post-graduate level.

 

Exactly...as they become more educated they will be able to discard the emotional bias that pro-choicers are relying upon to keep abortion legal.

 

Not sure what you see as equivocation. My answer was clear.

That was my opinion.

Not at all. I'm opposed to any abortion restrictions. They do not serve to reduce abortion rates, and only take away women's rights.

Because both the fetus and the woman can't have authority over the same uterus. There are many cases to illustrate this point, but the Angela Carder story is well-known. Long story short, she was dying of cancer and would not agree to a c-section. The hospital, acting on behalf of the fetus, forced her to undergo a c-section, resulting in death for both Carder and the fetus.

http://www.advocatesforpregnantwomen.org/articles/angela.htm

 

You have given no Yes or No answer. If you are afraid to answer, I guess I understand. it would undermine your argument.

So you are ok with late term abortion.

 

Uh, exactly? Studies show correlation of higher education to pro-choice views. And you don't see emotional bias on the pro-life side? Specifically, what "educational points" do you believe would sway people to pro-life?

 

I think the opposition to late term abortion speaks for itself. If the majority did not consider a fetus a person, there would be no laws against late term abortion.

 

What do you not understand about "a fetus is gradually becoming a person during pregnancy, but is not officially a person until birth"???

YES, late term abortion is only done for medical reasons. It is not done "on a whim." It is extremely rare.

 

Argumentum ad populum.

 

Great series of posts, quite clear, too.......for people who can actually think....

 

That is incorrect. Argumentum ad populum says I am saying something is CORRECT merely because a majority support it. In other words, that I am stating a fact.

But that is not was I am saying. I am merely drawing conclusions of what I personally think is likely to happen based on an existing trend. I am not claiming a fact, but stating an opinion. Your application of that term is therefore incorrect.

 

You do not state when it actually becomes a person. Only the process before that. For some weird reason you are really reluctant to state whether or not you personally think a fetus finishes becoming a person before birth. You do not want to give your opinion on this.

I think I know why, but I guess it does not matter either way.

You said you oppose any restrictions on abortion. So if a woman wanted to end her pregnancy at 8 months for any reason or no reason at all, you would be ok with that. Am I wrong?

 

It isn't clear from your post what you think is likely to happen. Perhaps the majority opposes late term abortion because it is ignorant of facts, or many people just think abortion should be restricted when a fetus is nearly a person.

 

Either way it is not Argumentum ad populum.

 

Yes, I gave my opinion very clearly multiple times. It is a person AT birth.

Why would a woman endure a pregnancy for 8 months, and then after all that misery, decide to abort for no reason? It wouldn't happen.

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I will take your word for what you meant.

 

Finally.

So my original quote was accurate. I implied (In post #275) that your opinion was that a fetus only becomes a person at birth. My implication was correct.

Why does the why matter? If you really cannot think of any reason, why would you care if the law restricts it anyway?

The fact that you cannot think of a reason does not mean a reason could not exist.

 

It was not correct based on those posts, because neither of them specified "fetus." That was your assumption.

Apparently you can't think of a reason either, so why would we need a law to affect a non-existant or minuscule number of possible cases?

 

Because killing a person is wrong? Is that a good enough reason?

 

Are we going in circles? Prove it's a person.

 

Actually they are not experts on "human development" per se, they are experts on the development of an embryo from the fertilization of the ovum to the fetus stage, which is a stage in human development .. but not the totality of human development .. please try to be precise.

and also none of your quotes actually give the "because", they state the opinion of the person with no reasoning as to how they come to that opinion.

Take this quote;

"I would say that among most scientists, the word 'embryo' includes the time from after fertilization..."

The first three words give you a clue as to this being an opinion, there is also no "because" explaining why this particular person has come to this conclusion/opinion.

If someone was to say "I would say that among most scientists, the word 'baby' does not mean a fetus" .. I have no doubt you would ask them for proof or why they have that opinion .. the above quotes are no different.

 

You asked me a question and I answered it.