Do you support reparations for blacks?

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Do you support reparations for blacks?

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  1. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Definitely not in the form of giving them cash. In the long-run, it would neither help them nor be fair. Maybe subsidizing education/training or providing more educational opportunities, since that is what would allow them to "catch up" with families that didn't have generations of stolen labor and then continued prejudice.
     
  2. conservaliberal

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    Well, sure, let's educate people, by all means. We certainly spend the lion's share of our property taxes on public school districts to educate the kids, so let it continue! Those who prosper in their education may become saints, or sinners, be law abiding citizens, or criminals, but that is a separate issue. But, sure, no doubt about it, if this country badly needs ONE thing more than just about anything else, it is education! :clap:
     
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    No. At this point, it's ancient history. Nobody in America was ever a slave or slave holder in America. Also, what about native Americans? Many of us are descendants of both. I guarantee that 99% of black Americans prefer living in America over the land of their descendants and are very glad to be here.
     
  5. dairyair

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    No, you keep them weak by enslaving them.
    You keep the weak by not educating them.
    You keep them weak by segregating them. It's easier to do the above.
    You keep them weak by not allowing them to have access to capital to build an education, training, community, or neighborhood.

    That is how to take away any advantage. And that is what happened.
     
  6. dairyair

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    Native Americans receive monthly checks. Often get free education if they wish.
     
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    It's how those property taxes and other taxes are distributed.
    If it's a poor community, it's poorly funded due to low taxes collected.
     
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    They don't get it from the US. Some tribe members get payments from casino revenues, though.
     
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  9. conservaliberal

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    You're right, and supporting public education on the basis of property taxes has always been a slipshod, unfair way to fund this vitally important function. All public schools in all states should have a basic minimum standard of support and competency in teachers, and the whole thing should be funded with the same importance and consideration that we support the Department of Defense, for example.

    Property, and the taxes on it in any given school "district" has nothing to do with anything, but real estate is easily taxed low-hanging fruit. School "districts" should be done away with and replaced with something a lot less arbitrary and political.
     
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  11. Curious Always

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    Let's start by getting rid of the federal Dept of Education. It's unconstitutional. Let the state's handle it.
     
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    Respectfully, I disagree. We wouldn't want each separate state to handle its commitment or funding for National Defense, for instance, so why should we treat public education as just some state issue? If we continue to allow a situation where our schools are churning out generation after generation of kids who are functionally IGNORANT, our nation (including all the separate states within it) will fail.
     
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    nope, I support helping the poor and working class regardless of race - help people based on need, not the color of their skin

    none of us alive today was a slave, none of us alive today gave our lives to free the slaves

    but we are all Americans equally, it's all of our past equally, regardless of our race
     
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    National defense is literally in the constitution as one of the reasons for a federal government. C'mon, really?

    I'm sick of my fellow countrymen who are in love with big government. They are out of control, and filled with criminals.
     
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    I will agree that nearly all local public school districts are dominated by many of the worse kinds of political operatives that do border on being "criminal", especially when the teachers unions dictate everything of importance. And that's part of why I think that these little individual local districts should be replaced by management at a much higher level that is structured to be inclusive of both political parties, and be made up of bipartisan representatives, both conservative and liberal.
     
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    So you want to make Leviathan even more grotesquely large than it already is. This is why we can't have nice things. Too many people in love with government overreach. Let the locals decide how best to educate their students.
     
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    No. There isn't a single AA citizen in the US who is or has been enslaved. Simple point of fact. The 40 acres and a mule theory was already applied historically. What is the purpose of current reparations unless it creates a permanent underclass who are dependent on the plantation for their future success and income. It seem pretty pernicious to me. I think reparations represent the single most racist policy the democrats have every pushed since they put Japanese folks in internment camps in the 40s..
     
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    It was a promise not kept. Never happened.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/04/15/40-acres-mule-slavery-reparations/

    But the order would be short-lived. After Lincoln’s assassination on April 14, 1865, the order would be reversed and the land given to Black families would be rescinded and returned to White Confederate landowners. More than 100 years later, “40 acres and a mule” would remain a battle cry for Black people demanding reparations for slavery.
     
  19. JohnHamilton

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    Not even Gavin Newsom is going to supporting it.

    Of course the reason for that is because he's running for president and does not want that on his resume. If he were elected President, he would support reparations. It would fit well with his program to destroy any economic system he touches.
     
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    The assumption behind that is that federal control of education will somehow be better. Since the creation of the department of Education, have nationwide test scores gone up or down?
     
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    Didn’t answer the poll because the binary answer doesn’t really suit my opinion.

    While I don’t support direct cash payments, I do support investments in addressing systemic issues that have been caused by slavery and racism and are still felt today.

    Red Lining for instance. I believe that the effects of red lining are still very evidence and commitment of funds to address those lasting impacts would be a good form of reparations.
     
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    Nothing will ever be enough for a progressive Democrat, because they need to buy votes to stay in office. The main complaints that most Blacks have is a lack of educational opportunities if their children are forced to go to substandard schools. The progressives won't touch that issue because the solution, vouchers, would offend the teacher's unions who have sold their souls to the progressive Democrats.

    Slavery ended in 1865. That was 158 years ago. The effects of that have been over for more than a century, but the progressives what to keep the wounds fresh and open for political purposes.
     
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    Or we could just stop funding public schools with property taxes; a practice that is directly impacted by red lining which left black Americans stuck in a cycle of generational poverty. That’d be a good start! How would vouchers help that situation? It would just lead to families having to travel outside of their communities to seek better education opportunities while leaving struggling schools even further behind.

    Do you think it’s bad to do a good thing just because Democrats campaign on it?

    Did you know there are black people alive today that remember a time when they were not allowed to vote? The more overtly racist laws and policies of America are not so far behind us that the effects aren’t still felt today, and the systemic racism still continues to this day.
     
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    Tribal African culture isnt practical in a modern diverse society such as ours.
     
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    As well before the civil war, 10% of blacks were already free. And about a third of "blacks" today are descended from people who immigrated to the US after the civil war. To cast ALL "blacks" today as victims of US slavery is absurd.
     
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