Do you think the slaves were owed reparations?

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Were those enslaved owed reparations?

  1. Yes, the enslaved were owed reparations, for that enslavement.

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  2. Yes, the enslaved were owed reparations, AND, we as a nation owe their descendents a fair shake.

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  3. No, we didnt owe the enslaved anything for their FORCED ordeal.

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  4. No, we didnt owe the enslaved anything, and their descendents are lucky we dont send them packing.

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  1. navigator2

    navigator2 Banned

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    Well isn't THAT ironic? LBJ's "Great Society".
     
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    CKW Well-Known Member

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    That makes no sense. I'm thinking self pity and wishing for other people's money is just too pleasurable for some people.
     
  3. Belch

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    sigh... do you know of anybody who isn't guilty of the same thing? "stolen land"? Seriously? Do you know absolutely nothing about anything concerning history? Maybe a brief history of Europe perhaps?

    Oh wait, I know!

    Have you heard about the great African diaspora where Africans marched out of mother Africa and met up with those damned neanderthals, who they slaughtered? And now blacks have the unmitigated CHEEK to demand reparations from their fellow albino Africans who have been busy taking advantage of all those stolen resources and acres!

    good lord! is that nonsense they call black history all they teach in schools these days?
     
  4. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    I'm 57 years old and experienced busing, which meant trying to sit in the back of the bus for white guys was like committing suicide.

    umm.... no! If you want money, get a real job! American teachers aren't teachers. They're just government stooges who couldn't survive in the real world where people actually have to produce!

    American teachers? LOLOLOLOL!!!! Not in those hell holes the government has. Those baby sitters from hell are just glorified welfare recipients.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the slaves were, no one living today is

    an America regardless of race is just as responsible for America's past

    we are all Americans regardless of the color of our skin
     
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    What is your IQ?
     
  7. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    Why does it matter?

    Let me guess... you don't know how statistics or median averages or bell curves work, so you're trying to reduce things to the individual.

    Maybe I'm the stupidest white guy to have ever lived. What then?
     
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  8. ShadowX

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    I never said slavery was justified. In fact slavery was egregious. But the point of the OP was whether or not they deserved reparations. First of all I think we paid more than enough in our own blood of hundreds of thousands of Americans dying that secured their freedom that no they didn’t deserve reparations.

    With that being said the question arose which group of people benefitted the most from slavery. Given the groups involved and given where they would have been without slavery in the America’s, the group that benefitted the most from slavery are the descendants of slaves who enjoy the freedoms and luxuries of the USA as opposed to the slavery, sexual servitude and genocide of their home country the VAST majority of them would be experiencing today.
     
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    Are you freaking joking? The black race in Africa has engaged in slavery since the beginning of recorded human history, without ceasing and they STILL engage in slavery to this day. To even attempt to blame white people for their THOUSANDS of years of slavery within their culture is ludicrous.

    And institutional racism? I challenge you to name ONE example of blatant and explicit racism against black people perpetrated by our government that occurs today. Because I PROMISE you I can name government programs and policies that EXPLICITLY discriminate against me based on NOTHING more than the color of my skin because I’m white that exist TODAY.

    But none of you give a damn about that. In fact most of you actively support it and when confronted with the fact will say we whites today somehow deserve to be discriminated against because of the actions of other white people from years ago.

    So tell me. If you don’t care about ACTUAL, explicit, systemic, government sponsored racism and discrimination that occurs against us today, why in the world should I care about racism that occurred YEARS ago?
     
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    Giggles.
    What have you contributed, bringing this country "up"?
     
  11. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    Lol please name one place in Africa ran by black people that you, or anyone else for that matter, would rather live than the USA and has even remotely the same quality of life.

    Don’t worry. I’ll wait.
     
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    Mine didn't get here from Europe until after slavery was over and done with.
     
  13. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    Correct.

    At the individual level we can never know what the distinct individual will do, how he/she will act nor what attributes he or she may have.

    However, in the aggregate we can tell with an absolute degree of certainty and detailed accuracy what the average man within that population will do, how they will act and which attributes they will have.
     
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    You mind naming two countries run by black people that isn’t a crap hole with a pathetic standard of living that isn’t inundated with corruption and violence?

    Or... let me guess... that’s all whiteys fault too huh?
     
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    None of us share responsibility for slavery. You’re only responsible for your own actions, this notion of some shared responsibility over events that took place over 154 years ago is moronic.
     
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    they got repartitions. It's called BET. There is no WET channel and I'm ok with that. Now stop ****ing complaining!
     
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    Silly person, I did not say that the involuntary contributions to the nation could ever be properly assessed or repaid.

    It can only be honestly acknowledged.
     
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    Slave labor allowed individual Americans and, thus, America to accrue wealth.
     
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    I know this was said in jest but it’s true. Don’t forget about the black congressional caucus, Ms Black America, the African American planning commission, the American association of blacks in energy, colorcomm, association of black psychologists, the AA executive leadership council, the AA IT senior executive forum, the national association of AA in HR, the NAACP, the national association of black accountants, the national association of black journalists... etc etc etc

    I could go on and on and on and on, but if any ONE of those organizations was changed to white it would be IMMEDIATELY declared a white supremacist group and anyone who joined would be roundly declared a racist, bigoted white supremacist.

    In fact I challenge ANYONE to name even ONE group that white people can join with the stated goal of advancing the white populations interests that we can join and not be called racists for doing so.

    Blacks today know nothing about being marginalized in America.
     
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    Slaves involuntarily contributed to the nation. I have no reason to deny the obvious.
     
  21. ShadowX

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    Slave labor production paled in comparison to the production put forth by white people through that same time period. Get lost with that revisionist bs.

    What do you think all the white people did? Sat around on their porches drinking sweet tea, watching slaves that they didn’t own work?
     
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    Here's former slave owner, Anthony Johnson
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    Anthony-Johnson.jpg

    Let's get down to dollars and cents. What do you think he owns me?
     
  23. ShadowX

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    Shhhh don’t talk about the black man who was the first legal slaveowner in America and was responsible for ushering in legal lifetime servitude in this country. They don’t like that.
     
  24. PrincipleInvestment

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    Lolz ... what does Civil War Reconstruction infer? As is always the case, the spoils of war go to the victors. In the case of the Confederacy, the Unionists in DC felt so badly about destroying property as a tactic of war ... scorched earth ... that they tried to atone for eradicating the southern economy. Freed slaves didn't want 40 acres of unairable land in regions that were devoid of infrastructure, and more importantly devoid of agricultural consumers with Union green backs. The South was essentially a "judgement proof" defendant for generations after the war ended. Whatever prized possessions and desirable land holdings that Unionists left in tact were quickly snatched by opportunistic Unionist carpetbaggers.
     
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    I have no problem with honestly acknowledging the obvious: Slaves involuntarily contributed to the nation.

    That is the historic reality for a number of nations that profited by the slave trade and by exploiting slave labor.
     

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