DOE agrees 9-11 was a Nuclear Event

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  1. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Because he thinks there is only one type of each element listed and isn't aware of the different isotope for each one. Just like the Strontium example I gave above. He was mislead by the article he referenced.
     
  2. John T

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    [video=youtube;3Zbv2SvBEec]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zbv2SvBEec[/video]
     
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    LOL, do you even know what a pyroclastic flow is? If that guy was in a pyroclastic flow, he would not live to tell about it. Pyroclastic flow temperatures start around 400 degrees F and go up to around 1300F.
     
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    Fair enough, I thought your post was self-explanatory.

    It looks like we are going to get the spamming of old videos as a response for a while.
     
  5. John T

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    [video=youtube;s8mz09VQQ2M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8mz09VQQ2M[/video]
    9/11 Dr. Mark Heath Collapse of North World Trade Center Inside The collapse Dust
     
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    One of the major uses of strontium prior to the last few years was in making cathode ray tubes. It was used as a thin coating on the inside of the tubes to block x-rays from leaving the tube and striking the user. And you found such strontium on the inside of every single TV screen and computer monitor inside the WTC. Does anybody want to even try to guess how many thousands of monitors and TV screens were inside the WTC?

    The only reason the mining and use of strontium is on a decrease over the past few years is that the CRT is basically a dead technology. LCD and other technologies in the past decade are finally making them obsolete. But the LCD was still an expensive and unusual technology in 2001.
     
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    [video=youtube;jM3bHgTBxGo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM3bHgTBxGo[/video]
     
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    REFERENCES for PoliticalForum:


    Below is a list of sources I used while making posts to this thread.


    http://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html
    Definition of Cognitive Dissonance
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    https://www.iaea.org/front
    IAEA Topics in Focus:

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    https://www.iaea.org/gsearch/2001+911
    Search IAEA.org
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    http://www.ae911truth.org/
    Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth
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    http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html
    Engineers and Architects Question 9-11
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/foundation.html
    The Bathtub: The Deep Basement Containing the Twin Towers' Foundations
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc6.html
    6 World Trade Center: The September 11th Attack
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite
    GRANITE: Melting temperature is 1215–1260 °C.[3]
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html
    WTC Steel Removal: The Expeditious Destruction of the Evidence at Ground Zero
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    https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/241096.pdf
    Study of Traces of Tritium: at the World Trade Center
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    http://topinfopost.com/2014/01/18/scientists-confirm-explosives-used-to-demolish-towers-on-911
    Scientists Confirm Explosives Used to Demolish Towers on 9/11
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    http://www.rense.com/general85/911.htm
    The 'Traces Of Tritium': WTC 9-11 Lie Is Obstruction Of Justice By Accessories To Murder
    By: Ed Ward, MD: 3-8-9
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/how-hot.htm
    THE JET FUEL; HOW HOT DID IT HEAT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER?
    Then it is impossible that the jet fuel, by itself, raised the temperature of this floor more than 257° C (495° F).
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc4.html
    4 World Trade Center: The September 11th Attack
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
    Collapse of the World Trade Center
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/freefall.html
    Speed of Fall: The Towers' Tops Fell Virtually Unimpeded
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/construction.html
    Twin Towers Construction: Photographic Evidence of the Twin Towers' Construction
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/index.html
    The Towers' Architecture: The Innovative Design of the World Trade Center Towers
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/perimeter.html
    The Perimeter Walls: The Structural System of the Twin Towers
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    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=1219
    Radiation at ground zero
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    http://www.nucleardemolition.com/
    Incontrovertible Proof that the WTC was destroyed by Underground Nuclear Explosions
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    http://911review.com/articles/green/PardonOurDust.html
    Pardon Our Dust, or, Why the World Trade Center Dust Matters
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/st_nbc1.html
    South Tower From East: Video Evidence of the South Tower's Destruction [0:30]
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    http://www.damninteresting.com/dial-a-yield-nukes-regular-or-extra-crispy/
    DIAL-A-YIELD NUKES: REGULAR OR EXTRA-CRISPY
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/freefall.html
    Speed of Fall: The Towers' Tops Fell Virtually Unimpeded
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/docs/wtc1level_s.jpg
    Seismic Date for WTC 1
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/docs/wtc2level_s.jpg
    Seismic Data for WTC 2
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    http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e325/pjd777/SpainFire.jpg
    Picture of Building in Spain on Fire
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper_fire
    Skyscraper fires
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
    The Core Structures: The Structural System of the Twin Towers
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
    Jet fuel burn heat
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_fuel
    Aviation fuel
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    https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911NutPhysics1.HTM
    Vaporizing the World Trade Center
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc1.html
    1 World Trade Center: The September 11th Attack
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc2.html
    2 World Trade Center: The September 11th Attack
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/concrete.html
    Concrete Pulverization: Twin Towers' Concrete Turned to Dust in Mid-Air


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    22215-Picard-double-facepalm-meme-wh-Tx3k.jpeg

    How can you swallow an insane story like mini-nukes?
     
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    This bibliography of the bogus answers my earlier question. Boy, you really fell for it.
     
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    Once more for the terminally ignorant sock,the cloud was NOT a pyroclastic cloud,A pyroclastic FLOW as it's properly known as,consists of a semisolid mass of rock,ash and volcanic gases traveling at over 400Mph,,and exceedinf 1300 degrees Fahrenheit.


    Had it been one of those events on 9/11,there would have been nothing left living for blocks,if not miles around the WTC

    MASSIVE fail.
     
  12. One Mind

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    Apparently, and obviously, you have not even taken the time to listen to what those 2200 have said. They directly take on the official report. They do not offer up who might have been involved, besides the hijackers, they only address the science and engineering. But without media control over this issue, I am not surprised by your own take. CSPAN finally had the head guy on, but only after an incessant demand by viewers. MSM won't touch it.

    Let me give you an example of MSM. Last year the Princeton Study, a scientific study, showed that the US either was turning into an Oligarchy, or was already one. MSM ignored the biggest story since 9-11. The foreign press covered it. So, the only place you could find this study was on the conspiracy websites, which was perfect!!!! Just another nutter. So, keep that in mind.

    Personally, I do no think the situation is, what you think it is, when it comes to 9-11. Your mind cannot accept it, as mine could not until too many red flags started to appear, that are factual.
     
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    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A denier will nitpick improper terminology.

    I agree with the shrink who said the conspiracy guys are more psychologically healthy than the deniers. For the deniers have lost the ability of rationality and reason. Now, some of the conspiracy theory guys are far, far out there, but either they are nuts, or plants. Plants are used today, as that is old hat.
     
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    If a denier can listen to this program, and not demand a real investigation, something horrible has gone wrong with their ability to be rational. I would suggest seeking out a shrink.
     
  15. Gamolon

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    I'll make this easy for you. You have been challenged on a number of claims you have made in this thread based on your sources. Below is a list of some of those claims that you and your sources have been proven wrong on. You have refused to address these issues and have chosen to move on to other topics in the hopes of burying the ones you have been challenged on.

    Claim 1. You had put forth a claim that there was proof of radiation at ground zero in the form a quote (below, red color/bolding are mine) located at this site: http://presscore.ca/nbg/?x=entry:entry101210-074545
    I dug into this a bit more after my earlier post regarding this quote and found that the EARLIEST quote (below) I was able to locate was from a Susan Edelman at the New York Post. This article is dated May 31, 2007 and is located here: http://nypost.com/2007/05/31/911-cancer-cops/
    Searching further, I found the same quote (below) from your link above in an earlier article by the same David Jones published almost a month later on June 22, 2007. This was at The Canadian website located here: http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/06/22/01625.html
    So David Jones decides to not only steal a quote (without giving credit by the way) from someone else, but then add his own personal beliefs to it.

    You didn't address this.

    Claim 2.You put forth the following claim in the quote below regarding how the towers were designed:
    I pointed out that you were incorrect in this quote:
    You didn't address this.

    Claim 3.You made a claim in the quote below that a pyrclastic cloud was created at ground zero.
    You even posted the characteristics of a pyroclastic cloud in the quote below:
    So I asked you this question:
    You didn't address this.

    Claim 4.You made a claim in the quote below that black smoke indicates and oxygen starved fire:
    I provided an article that shows you to be incorrect:
    You have yet to address this.

    These four claims are but a few of the growing number of claims youhave been shown to be incorrect that you just pass over.

    Why is that John T?
     
  16. Gamolon

    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    So point me to one of these 2,200 engineers that has written a paper containing calculations, science, and engineering that shows what the government has presented is wrong and why.

    You made the claim, so have at it. I'll wait here for your links.
     
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    Words have meanings One Mind, or don't you get that? You don't get to apply a term to something if the characteristics within the definition of the term do not exist within it.

    So I'll ask you and see if you can be truthful. What about the dust cloud produced on 9/11 as the result of the collapse of WTC1/WTC2 matches the characteristics presented by John T himself?

     
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    So you need a paper huh? Just listen to the video of Gage from CPAN. If that doesn't raise red flags, then I think the problem lies with the deniers, not with Gage.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I am not agreeing with the guy. I do agree with Gage that a real investigation should happen, outside of gov't oversight. I don't trust gov't, and anyone who does has blinders on.
     
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    Do not forget water, because a lot of such flows (Mt. St. Helens) is also often the remains of the glacier that existed at the top before the big eruption.
     
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    Speaking of plants,A truther who also is a psychologist,justifies their madness by claiming they are more 'psychologically healthy', and you ya-hoos can't wait to use it to club your way out of any argument,like this one,which by the way isn't just improper terminology.

    It shows a fundamental disregard of what actually happened on 9/11 in favor of a conspiracy
     
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    A super-heated mud slide.......what a way to go...
     
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    I watched the video you posted. I have the following quesitons.

    1. At 1:06 in your video, the video Gage uses of WTC7 for his campaign shows edited version of the total collapse of WTC7. Every version has edited out the collapse of the east penthouse into the interior of the structure 6 to 7 seconds earlier than the start of his edited collapse. Why was the east penthouse collapse left out of his videos?

    2. Following with question 1 above, can you explain the following excerpts from some of his brochures posted below and why implies that WTC7 completely collapsed in 6 to 7 seconds when that is not the case?
    3. At 2:06 in the video, Gage says the WTC7 dropped like a rock at freefall acceleration. Now anyone who is not familiar with this scenario will look at his edited video and listen to his words and think that the entire WTC7 structure came down at freefall in 6 to 7 seconds. If that were true, I would have to conclude it was demolition. The fact is Gage is lying through his teeth to create an awe factor. If you add in the true facts, it would be harder to get people to agree it was demolition. Imagine if, in that video you linked, he INCLUDED the following in his descriptions, actual events that were witnessed that day:
    A) Creaking was heard throughout the structure witnesses prior to collapse.​
    B) A bulge was witness on one of the side of WTC7​
    C) The east penthouse collapsed into the interior of WTC7, 6 to 7 seconds prior to the roofline beginning to descend​
    D) What remained of the WTC structure after the east penthouse collapsing, fell at an AVERAGE speed of free fall acceleration (prove by certain data points in Chandler's graph being below free fall speed)​
    E) A kink formed in the roofline as it fell​

    4. At 2:37, in the video Gage states that all 80 columns on each floor would have to be removed. Again, why is he ignoring the east penthouse collapsing and the failed 7 columns below? More of the awe factor for viewers? Leaving out certain details?

    5. At 3:08, Gage says that the fires were normal office fires. Where these really normal fires compared to other office fires? Are office fires that are not fought at all by firefighters or a failed fire system considered normal?

    6. At 3:54, Gage says people cite the "pools of molten iron". I thought it was molten steel? Which is it now?

    7. At 4:53, Gage says that ends of beams evaporated. That it tales 4000 degrees f to do that, and thermite is the only reason that could have happened. Take a look at what a eutectic reaction is then get back to us.

    Please address these points so far.
     
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    You will only find a rational mind in the truthers, IMO. You will also find plenty of nuts, with some really far out ideas. But it was probably little more than allowing the attacks to happen, and then by controlled demolition bringing them down for a much greater effect. Which is course would be a crime punishable by death. But if you think you can trust men in power, you don't know a damned thing about the history of our species. Read some history. I already have.
     
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    You need to address gage. I would love to see such a debate, with his panel of professionals against you. You would lose. BUT, you would never admit loss.

    It would be like me trying to argue with a quantum physicist. OH, I am not one of those guys. Until someone actually addressed Gage, another professional, face to face, with their evidence and data sheets available, we won't get anyone on this forum.
     
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    Perfect example of what I was saying...
     

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