Does a woman's right to sex outweigh the right of a fetus?

All I'm saying is that for a rabid Pro-Choice woman who is intent on getting an abortion, sexual intercourse is equivalent to killing a fetus.

Whether it will happen to be inside her or not is irrelevant to this argument.

I have full confidence that all of you are smart enough to be able to understand that. (Maybe that requires you to stop and think for a few minutes?)

 

She can decide for herself, but then she is like the woman in this story.

 

it's very relevant, one is her choice

 

nope, she is not, it's her body that is risking life and limb

 

It's a woman's choice to get pregnant in the first place.

Seems to me that the woman in this story had as much choice as women in real life.


You can't disconnect getting pregnant from killing a fetus, if that's what you're going to do.

 

FreshAir, a person does not have a right to go into a bank with a gun pulled out, and then shoot the security guard when he is pulling out his gun. Correct?

The argument about risking life and limb is irrelevant here. Please try to us some logic.
We are talking about risking getting pregnant in the first place.

Just like a person cannot go into a bank with a gun and then claim self defense, a woman in this situation would not have the right to go get pregnant and then claim she needs to protect herself.

The issue comes all the way back to whether or not she has the right to have sex, and so it is just like the situation of the woman in that story.

 

Agreed! Between this and Katz’s “Paedophile” thread I am shaking my head

 

Because you are creating a false equivalency

 

It's not a false equivalency.
Please explain how it is a false equivalency. I'm all ears.


You can't just go get pregnant and then claim you need to kill it because you don't want to be pregnant.

Claiming that the issue here is that the woman has the right not to have to be pregnant is just a non-sequitur.

 

No it is NOT!!

Very few people on this planet avoid risk altogether whether that is with sex, driving, snorkelling whatever. Life is risky and one wrong decision at the wrong time can have unforeseen consequences. Woman goes out to meet friends - underestimates her capacity for drink as she was given a cocktail she was unfamiliar with and did not eat much - now her judgement is impaired - a guy, who seems like a man of her dreams, offers to take her home. The fresh night air makes her more affected x next thing she is aware of is waking up next to him in bed the next morning. As he is getting dressed he thanks her for the “ride” and tells her he is AIDS positive so get tested.

 

I'm saying that it goes back to whether or not the woman has the right to risk pregnancy.

So, it's just like the analogy in the opening post.

Does she have the right to have sex, even if that means she will be killing a fetus.

 

Soooo, you have led a completely exemplary life? Never been drunk? Never had someone slip you a little naughty pill? Never even been “out on three town” Never had a condom break? Never had casual sex?

 

I see, so your argument is one of risk, is it?

Okay, let me modify my story a little bit. The woman has to be blindfolded and hit the fetus's tank like a pinata. There's a chance she might hit it dead on and cause the fetus to die.

 

Okay - keep deleting part of my reply and I will discuss this with the moderators

 

This is just sick

 

And it's totally analogous to what a woman does in real life with an abortion.

 

Only in your imagination

And it is giving ME the creeps - ewwww!

 

I was just addressing specific parts of your post at one time.

 

How do you think Pro-Lifers feel about your position?

 

rape victims never had a choice

but they do have the choice not to have a baby

 

if the security guard is shoving something inside her uterus, she more certainly can

he has not right to force himself inside her

 

always wanted to give the Peyote religion a try, too bad it's a felony for my race - so much for the 1st Amendment

https://www.dea.gov/drug-information/drug-scheduling

Schedule I

Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are: heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote.

 

The point is she shoved something up her own uterus.

Whether she has a right to kill is entirely dependent on whether she had the right to shove that thing up her uterus in the first place.

Hence the analogy in the story.

There's really no point in me going on. It should by now at this point be obvious to all. There's no way I can spoon-feed you or connect the dots for you more than I already have. The logic is there, plain as day.

 

nope, she never chose to have a baby, she can stop that process if she chooses, as it's her body

 

I see, so that's your only argument here. She might have been raped.
(Even though there's only a 1% chance of that happening)

Take away the rape factor and you have nothing!