Does "Israel" have the right to exist ?

What facist Zionists want is rather irrelevant. What Israel wants is security, and since Jordan broke the agreement by invading the West Bank after 48 its no wonder Israel took the opportunity it was given by the Arab Leagues beligerance. Its the Palestinians terrorists who undermined the Palestinian cause - now the world knows it cannot honestly believe the Palestinians will accept peace even with a Palestinian state. The only way forward to true peace is a hard border with Jordan, meaning the West Bank is absorbed fully into Israel.

 

Israel has just as much right to exist as New Zealand, Australia and the US all who displaced other peoples. Israel a little more so in that the Arab people themselves are migrants from Arabia in the South

 

"Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live." Same goes for nations.

 

Why did you hide the author's name ?

Is it coz the author was that vile creature - ADOLF HITLER ?
He is also reported to have said :

""Great liars are also great magicians."


( IMO - fool themselves in thinking they can always trick + fool others .)

In future pls quote from sources worthy of any respect .


GERTCHA.

 

Still drawing foolish comparisions , are you ? Comparing past (some centuries ago with current events is moronic. .

There's BIG - BIG difference - as I've told you before :

The Moaris are still in New Zealand + Aborigines are still in Australia - Native americans are still in america.


btw - you're not doing a good job as an Hasbarist in trying to justify Israel's dastardly deeds.

Better get yourself an up to date copy of Israel Defender's Handbook .


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Cant imagine what you think that has to do with my statement.

Just as the Arabs are still in Israel. No difference.

 

A) No need of "imagination" - its straightforwd -QUESTIONS - just , read and try to comprehend + answer :


(I repeat)

Dix - See if you can get yr head around this :

B) "Arabs " are NOT homogenous . and try learning the differences between , Druze, , Syrians , Iragis, Saudis, Moroccans, Egyptians , etc.etc. PALESTINIANS ARE PALESTINIANS +
also learn abt The Nakhba .

Then read - The Birth Of The Palestinian Refugee Problem By Benny Morris

1948 - Expulsion of approx. 750,000 non-jewish inhabitants .

Learn abt the Stern Gang - LEHI - Irgun , and the atrocities committed against defenceless Palestinian villagers to make room for Europe's Jews .

go learn . .




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tatty - byeee . .

 

well i have that beat;

all of the great minds in history were human beings.


Or how about; the biggest concentration camp on the earth right now is gaza.


Or even, the biggest line of BS on the earth, right now is that jews are the chosen ones of god.


and neither of them facts, takes a great mind to comprehend them. Just integrity!

 

Ive not heard Israel whining about its right to exist. Only the likes of you questioning their right to exist.

Cant imagine what you think this has to do with my post you chose to respond to. No doubt more of your further attempts to avoid the topic of discussion

 

PLS - Stop Imagining , + dodging / side stepping , just try answering my questions.

 

Or how about, get yourself a bigger shovel to sling that bull(*)(*)(*)(*), bishadi?

The Laogai has been the biggest concentration camp on earth for years, but let's not let facts get between you and your mendacious claim to the contrary.

And Muslims believe "ye are the best of all peoples" (Qur'an III:110). Why don't we hear you whining about that supremacistic BS?

Heh. Just heh...

 

I'm at a loss to understand what the point is here. Are you saying that Israel is in the wrong because more palestinians than Israelis have been killed in the course of this conflict?

That is inevitable, since Israel is far far more capable. And with all that impressive fire power, the rate of civilian casualities when they are firing missiles, tank shells, mortars, phosphorus, cluster bombs, etc. is astronomically small. That measurable result speaks to Israel's contention that it attempts to minimize civilian casualities.

do you think that America has killed more innocent civilians than say Iraq or al quaida?

 

Israel isn't whining about its right to exist.

It is merely insisting that the palestinians recognize Israel as a fait accompli and forever trash the rhetoric and plans to liberate all of historic palestine. Makes a sort of weird sense that they would want to trust the party they are signing a peace treaty with, but why let common sense get in the way.

Israel recognizes the Palestinian's right to become a nation, officially. Now all the palestinians have to do is start acting like one.

 

Really? I am very curious to see your link to the IDF statistics that show EXACTLY the amount of ammunition they have expended shooting at Palestinians.

Plus, once you have provided that information - I am curious how you arrive at the term 'astronomically small'? Is that a ratio of bullets to dead Palestinians? Or is there some sort of well-known chart that dictates such things?


And I do not believe for one second that the Israeli leaders are killing Palestinians by mistake.

I believe 100% that they are deliberately killing innocent Palestinian civilians at a certain ratio to Israeli's killed to try and dissuade Palestinian terrorists from attacking Israeli civilians.

And I believe that they instruct their IDF leaders to maintain that ratio.

And no - I cannot factually prove ANY of that - I doubt the leaders are so stupid as to leave a paper trail of said orders.


If you honestly think that Israel's leaders are not deliberately killing - or at least not caring in the slightest how many they kill - then you lack a great deal of common sense on this subject, imo.

Iraqis (I assume you mean Iraqi's and not the Iraqi military) - no. Al-Qaeda - yes.

 

This is the second time you've declared victory for yourself in exactly the same way . It seems like even you don't believe your blather and you have to keep convincing yourself.
Until someone verifies your figures you will remain just someone blowing smoke around.

 

I answered your stupid question.

 

Oh dear, this is the new standard of proof for unhinged haters of Israel...it's true because I believe it to be true and I won't even try to justify my view because I know I can't prove a thing!

 

Remotely decent human beings do not needlessly butcher thousands of women and children by (among other things) shelling densely populated areas just to stop a few wacko terrorists from firing a bunch of pathetic rockets that kill a few dozen of your innocent civilians.
Especially when the reason these terrorists are firing these weapons is primarily to do with the near-inhuman way you are treating those same innocent civilians.

Not that - judging from the posts I have seen of yours so far on this subject - I expect for one MINUTE that you are capable of understanding that.


And I do not hate Israel.

I do hate what it's leaders are doing to the Palestinian civilians.


I am just curious - do you also tell everyone in your private life what they are thinking. Or do you let them tell you first?

I am guessing it is the former a LOT more often then you think it is.


Hug a Palestinian today.

 

There is no Biblical claim that holds water in todays world? Tough to justify a claim on the basis of a some land that Jews had title to 2500 years ago.

If we are honoring such claims we should give America back to the Indians ??

I do think Israel should have some land though.

The folks who persecuted the Jews the most and for the longest period of time is the Catholic Church so I suggest we start by giving them Vatican city and the Vatican Bank account.

 

As of January 15, Israeli forces had carried out 2,360 air strikes...Israel artillery fired approximately 7,000 rounds during the conflict...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War

That's not full statistics of course, it does not take into account the naval operations, ground invasion, tanks. The death toll was 1,200 Palestinians, 700 of them were Hamas. You do the math buddy, 1 civilian per 5 air strikes, 1 civilian per 14 artillery rounds...that's in Gaza - one of the most densely populated places on the planet. Yeah, those JOOZ targeted Pali civilians all right, they are just the worst shooters on the planet. LOL

Guess with what the evil Israelis targeted Gazans:
Among IDF's measures to reduce civilian casualties were the extensive use of leaflets and phone messages to warn Palestinians, including families in high-risk areas and families of Hamas personnel, to leave the area or to avoid potential targets.[63][127][128][129] Israel used F-4 Phantoms to deliver more than 2 million leaflets urging the population to evacuate.[120] In a practice codenamed roof knocking, the IDF issued warning calls before air strikes on civilian buildings. Typically, Israeli intelligence officers and Shin Bet security servicemen contacted residents of a building in which they suspected storage of military assets and told them that they had 10–15 minutes to flee the attack.[107][130][131] At several instances, the IDF has also used a sound bomb to warn civilians before striking homes.[127] In some cases, IDF commanders called off airstrikes, when residents of suspected houses have been able to gather on its roof.[127] IAF developed small bomb that is designed not to explode as it was aimed at empty areas of the roofs to frighten residents into leaving the building.[63][128] Israel's military used low-explosive missiles to warn civilians of imminent attack and to verify that buildings were evacuated before attacks.[120] Some of the attacks took place sooner than the warning suggested and many calls were not followed up with attacks.[6] The Israeli Government report notes that while the warning systems implemented by the IDF did not eliminate all harm to civilians, they were apparently effective, because in many incidents aerial video surveillance by IDF forces confirmed the departure of numerous residents from targeted areas as a direct result of the warnings before the attacks. While Israel is not a party to the Protocol I, Israel accepts its provisions as reflective of customary

 

Why is it if you hate the crime you have to hate the criminal?

I absolutely detest what Israel has done, right from the beginning when Israeli terrorists were attacking everyone who was against them.
Their illegal occupation of Palestine, the attacks on Lebanon et al and the needless deaths of thousands of innocent women and children. There arrogance as is demonstrated within these pages.
There depriving the Palestinians of basic human rights, their attitude to "We got done over, so it's all right for us to do it back".

But I don't hate Israel, why should I?

As for can't prove a thing I think it has been well and truly proven it's just that some people don't see the forest for the trees.

 

That's an interesting distinction. Do you then also hate what Palestinians and their terrorist gangs do to Israelis? Like when they blow up buses or theaters or launch thousands of missiles at the towns of Israel?
Do you assume that Israel just enjoys shooting down Palestinians? Or do you think the IDF forces are going after Hamas because it represents an existential threat to the state of Israel?

You would lose because you already told me, through your posts, what you think of Israel.
You think they deliberately target Palestinians
for death to achieve kill quotas (quotas that you seem positive exist, thanks to Israeli policy). If you do like Israel, I've yet to hear why.

I'll hug them when they let Israel be and learn to love themselves more than they hate the Israelis.

 

Hear Hear, well said, but not just him, they all need to, it's rather ironic that they are turning into what they say they are fighting. But then that is the way of man.

 

What has been proven? It's been "proven" that Israeli defense forces are ordered to kill
a certain ration of Palestinians to avenge Israeli deaths and deter others?
(note the specificity of "a certain ratio"...there is no proof like the sort of proof that could be absolutely anything you want it to be)

If it has been proven then you can cite that proof....right? The ball is in your court.

 

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