DOJ tramples on the Constitution

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    You didn't answer the question. I guess this means you either don't know, don't care or don't understand why someone might wish to make irreversible changes.

    Reassignment surgery is expensive. This from 2015:

    "In Pennsylvania, the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery posts cost estimates for different procedures. Its price list mentions estimates of $140,450 to transition from male to female, and $124,400 to transition from female to male. This list, unlike many others, includes potential costs for things such as anesthesia, hospital stay and each of the potential surgeries that someone transitioning from one gender to the other may want or require. These numbers are based on one surgery center though, and will change depending on factors such as insurance, the hospital that is attended or if someone is using a different surgery center altogether."

    https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/health/transgender-costs-irpt

    Who pays?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you are all going very off topic.

    Please post links to other threads if you wish to continue arguing about these separate issues. (Rape exception for abortion and arguments over transgender issues don't really have anything to do with the opening post, when the issue is a court ordering a group to turn over draft legislation for possible future proposed laws)
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's correct.
     
  4. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    ????? Vaginas arent normally torn during a rape. Medical exams generally show evidence of intercourse, not rape.
     
  5. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Because not all subpoenas are for possible crimes. My guess is a possible civil rights violation, and that is not under title 18 of the United States Code.
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    A subpeona does not need a law to be broken for it to be issued. It is not a search warrant.

    The biggest difference between a subpoena and a warrant is this. A subpeona compels action by an individual or entity while a search warrant authorizes action by a legal entity, aka law enforcement.
     
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    Actually, they are. It is how a forensic pathologist will determine if a female or male corpse has been raped or not. For males, annum tears are most prevalent. For females, it is vaginal trauma and genital injury.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    @XXJefferson#51 Where were any such surgeries actually being performed?
     
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    XXJefferson#51 Banned

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    Thanks for the attempt to redirect back to the thread lead article and it’s content. :applause:
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    But, a subpoena needs probable cause. What law is suspected to have been broken?

    Subpoenas aren't a work around from the 5th Amendment.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Three were listed in the warrant. Try reading it.

    And your refusal to read warrants is not a work around for having the capacity to discuss the topic.
     
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    XXJefferson#51 Banned

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    And the subpoena seeks the victims of it (the opposition party) to reveal all of their inner workings and activities directly to the ruling party. A direct abuse of power.
     
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    XXJefferson#51 Banned

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    So a subpoena and a warrant are the same kind of thing…It is way to general and not specific to anything and is an abuse of the 4th amendment.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    No one is dumb enough to buy the argument that warrants are unconstitutional. They don't violate the 4th amendment. The DOJ provided probable cause of 3 crimes in order to obtain that warrant . . . and the receipt demonstrates that they were justified.
     
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    The subpoena was not for "inner workings." It was for the material Trump stole.
     
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    18 was the answer given that you could not comprehend.
     
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    Try figuring out context.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    You are again confused. Trump isnt involved here.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Try reading the thread and the posts.
     
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    Read my posts, then answer the question.
     
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    If you are in prison, the government. If you are in the military, the government. If you are on medicaid or Medicare, the government. If you are insured, the insurance company. All mandated under the Biden administration.
     
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    This thread and all the post except yours are about this Alabama law prohibiting trans surgery on kids and Bidens challenge in court claiming the law is unconstitutional and his use of subpoenas on a private organization that advocated for the Alabama legislation.
     
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    And no one answered my question about any such surgeries actually being performed anywhere.
     
  24. LangleyMan

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    So, who decides? State or federal law?
     
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  25. LangleyMan

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    I'm asking you what you support. Who is the gatekeeper on the money for gender reassignment surgery?
     

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