Donetsk Fears Ukraine Attack, Asks Citizens To Evacuate To Russia

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You're asking ManYack to provide evidence Russia isn't provoking or attacking Ukraine?? Isn't Russia attacking or provoking Ukraine an example of a strawman argument?

 

Russia has attacked Ukraine 8 yrs ago....in case you haven't noticed)....your strawman argument is a delusion.)....maybe you can provide sources that it hasn't?

Go all in? This should be hilarious?

 

You mean after the former head of Ukraine refused the EU and there was rioting and bloodshed in the streets of Kyiv eight years ago??https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/27/how-russia-invaded-ukraine-in-2014-and-how-the-markets-tanked.html

Is prior history supposed to haunt one forever? Does that mean, for examples, that former Russian states should always be wary of Russia and Russia should always be wary of former Russian states??...

EDIT: You think Ukraine should always be wary of Russia for something that happened 8 years ago.

 

LOL...usually prior history DOES haunt others....where have you been hiding. You just need to see where all those former satellites ran to for your info. Even olgino made a stink over Germany re uniting under a NATO banner....I guess almost 30 mln dead is all for not?

So yeah...)....others are wary....and Russia being wary??....well,Olgino zhradniks need only look in the mirror....you are what you are..

Lame argument on your part..

 

We have a policy of 'strategic ambiguity', but it goes beyond that into out and out lies. When Blinken spoke 2 weeks ago, he said 3 things that were lies - but as Pompeo had said in a video that has now been removed: "That when he went to West Point he was taught never to lie, and when he entered the CIA he was taught to lie."

So while we're pushing Ukraine into a war with Russia, our propaganda networks keep screaming that Russia wants to attack Ukraine. And while Ukraine bombs the infrastructure in Donetsk and Lugansk, the networks refer to Russian aggression when there is no aggression. Brainwashing? Of course!

 

I'm a Christian and believe that everyone is influenced by outside forces. This influence can come from our Creator and be positive and constructive, or it can come from a negative source and be destructive.

Satan is known as the father of lies, which means that all lies emanate from him - yet all we hear from our government is lies and more lies. Is it any wonder that a Saint said more than a decade ago that Washington is now under Satan. How can there ever be peace in the world?

 

So long as Ukraine has the right to join NATO Putin sees no diplomatic solution.

 

No one is pushing Ukraine to join NATO it's what they want. After Crimea it's no wonder they want to join. Russia only has several friends, China, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Belarus, Cuba and Venezuela. And what do all those countries have in common? Dictators. You sound like a brainwashed Charles Manson groupie.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/M_Simonyan/status/1493540526242643969?s=20&t=QHq2joj-g_-DeinKdthpYA

In this tweet, RT’s editor in chief literally calls Putin her boss.

 

There are daily seize fire violations that are registered by OSCE observers. That war never stopped, so, 8 years ago is as relevant as it gets.

 

Why is it a straw man argument? There are videos out there of Russian artillery shooting into Ukraine from their territory. There are also videos out there showing Russians shooting artillery from residential neighborhoods, consciously putting civilians at risk (which is a war crime, by the way).

https://www.unian.net/war/rossiyski...domov-reznikov-novosti-donbassa-11710975.html

In this article, Ukrainian minister of defense accuses Russia of doing just that - shooting artillery out of residential areas into Ukrainian controlled territory, knowing that Ukrainians always shoot back. The article is in Russian language originating from legitimate Ukrainian news agency.

 

So what. Are you saying that the article is a lie??

 

I’m saying that the article was paid for, and published by, Kremlin itself.

 

The original source is German..... Der Spiegel. The referenced paper came from the UK archives.

Anything else is just noise.

 

Why?
He is asking the right question - where is proof of Ukrainian aggression?

 

As your buddy would say - post them.

I think you meant to say that the Ukrainians that live in the breakaway republics are returning fire after they were fired upon by the fascist Ukrainians.

 

I see. The Basques can declare independence from Spain, and Russia can occupy their homeland.
Glad no expatriate Russian in Australia wants 'independence.'
Russia and China are together on this - the violation of international order. Post WW2 the agreement
was that we would respect the world's borders as we find them, otherwise it's going to be nothing but
wars. How many borders does Germany have issues with? No worries, just invade. If it's going to be
an international incident just declare your soldiers as 'volunteers' who are borrowing the army's tanks
and missiles.
Last week China fired lasers at Australian aircraft. It's quite common now - trying to blind pilots, just as
Chinese hacking and interference in our politics is common. China is the problem to us that Russia is
to Ukraine. And that's sad - a dangerous world benefits no-one.

 

Those in the “breakaway republics” are under Moscows direct command.

 

Pffffft.

Ukrainians are firing back at Ukranians.....LOL.

Too funny....no they're not....it's whatever "rebels" are embedded along with their Russki handlers like the GRU.

You make it sound as if there's "millions" fighting....those inhabitants want this to end....so they can sleep at nite and work in the day....they want pensions from .....Ukraine!....not Russia or their lousy passports.....hence why you don't see Russian flags everywhere ....or anyone throwing flowers around....you see.

"Novorussia" is DOA.....

 

"Minsk agreements - 2", this is the diplomatic solution that Putin insisted on in recent years. And which Russian presidents refuse to fulfill.

No one claims that Ukraine's invasion of Russia is inevitable.
He asks me for proof that Russia does not have an army on the border and has not yet invaded Ukraine.

ah, well, yes. (irony) Americans openly fight in many countries, change regimes and kill legitimate presidents. But they do not change the borders of countries - so you can do it.

 

USA fought the Communist takeover of Indo China
USA drove Iraq out of Kuwait
USA drove Al Quaeda out of Afghantistan
USA/NATO fought Serbs over Bosnia

None of these nations are now a part of some Greater America like Georgia, Kazakhstan, Crimea,
Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Crimea, and the Donbas are part of Russia now.
Indeed, even the worst of America, the Bush Jnr invasion of Iraq, did not see America owning that
country or even getting an oil contract out of it.
Russia is a 100 different nationalities, a legacy of the old Empire. And many have suffered violence
at the hands of Russia and the USSR. If Donbas can have 'independence' from Ukraine then so too
can these 100 nationalities within Russia. Join us in supporting their rights.

 

again a blatant lie or simply ignorance of geography.
Georgia is an independent country.
Kazakhstan is an independent country.
Crimea - annexed to Russia without armed invasion. Consequence of the military coup in Ukraine.
Abkhazia is an independent republic.
South Ossetia is an independent republic.
Donbass is part of Ukraine.

I meant it:
Like, Russia is bad - because it takes the territory of the independent republics into its composition to protect its inhabitants.
And America is allegedly good, because all over the world countries are being attacked and governments are being changed in their own way.
Double standards are found.

 

If Iraq tilts towards Iran (as it has done) then America has no say in that.
If Crimea or Abkhazia tilt towards the EU and NATO then someone is going to get assassinated
and tanks could roll.

 

Poohbear, there were no tanks in Crimea. There was no Russian army. Not even a single shot was fired.
You have no idea about Abkhazia at all. You can't even hit it on the map. You don't even know exactly what happened there. Didn't mention EU or NATO otherwise. But you still blame Russia. Typically.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/what-really-happened-in-south-ossetia-2008.596657/