Don't Attack Iran!

Gods are manufactured, man-made mythical beings. They are not real. Prophecies are not real. They are guesses; if they 'come true' it's because of something called 'coincidence'.

If science is a 'con man' then I suggest you leave your home and all the things in it which science provided you with (including the thing you typed the above on), move into a cave, find a sharp stick to hunt your lunch with, skin it to clothe yourself and thus preserve your principles, intact.

On the contrary, it is religion which has been conning people like you for millennia, promising 'heaven' and all the associated rubbish, just so long as you keep worshipping.

It never ceases to amaze me how jawdroppingly hypocritical those who eschew science can be. On the one hand science 'cons' people, yet on the other they are perfectly happy to make use of all that science has provided them with.

 

SnakeWretcher ,,,, RevA and I are neighbors ,,, and furthermore , we're Americans ... .

Israel and the US have been friends ,,, are friends now ,,, and will be friends in the Future ... God has intertwined our destinies as Nations .

A lot of people don't like that , and you're prolly one ...

So un-hinge your own rationality and understand that the God Almighty will decide your futile protests as you stand before his throne of Judgement .

and if you keep trolling RevA , you gonna get spanked ...

 

This 'throne of judgement' sounds really scary-can you tell me what exactly happens there please? Some evidence would be a good thing-oh, and biblical quotes won't do. Hard facts only please. Thanks.

Oh, and your 'god', like the countless other 'gods', was invented by man and doesn't exist outside of fairytales.

You're Americans? And...I'm supposed to be impressed?

 

I completely disagree. Americans are kept in the dark about Israeli brutality. Anyone that has modicum of intelligence can discover all the facts needed to determine the truth. The truth is that Palestinian support of Hamas terrorism is the fuze that lights Israeli retaliation against

Blame the terrorists who hide in the civilian population for the photos you like to display. Your hope is the same as pro lifers that display gruesome abortion photos to elicit a emotional response. However we know you are displaying propaganda, because it tells the wrong story. That photo should read "this is what Hamas causes". Grow up and learn. Its not the American public that is fooled, it’s you and your peers that blindly support anything anti-American or anti Israel including pro terrorism propaganda.

Thanks by that statement you just confirmed and validated what I elucidated in the first paragraph. Caps for clarity; THERE WOULD BE NO ISRAELI MILITARISM IF THERE WERE NO HAMAS AND OTHER ARAB SPONSORED TERRORISM. I do thank you for not calling Israeli defensive actions terrorism. I could produce a thousand pictures that show what Hamas terror attacks have done to children infants and children but why waste my time, if you or any of your peers want to veiw what supporting Hamas/Palestine demands, just Google; "photos of Israelis slaughtered or maimed by Hamas terrorism" to see real the real horror of hamas.

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With all due respect; You seem to parrot what someone indoctrinated and or brainwashed in anti Americanism or anti Israeli propaganda would say in every reply in anti USA/Israel threads. I sometimes think you and your peers here have a semi covert anti American anti Israeli* agenda. Haven’t you read any of the posts that decry Palestinians refusal to negotiate ? The Palestinian insistence to illegally avoid UN protocol to become a nation or state i.e. they are refusing to negotiate first then apply for statehood? Israeli intransigence? No, my fellow member its ARAB intransigence! They are the outsiders attempting to garner favor, yes outsiders, they are not nation status Israel is, and should show some common sense and respect. For starters they should hang every terrorist by the toes that exist in Palestine.

Jesus, who was God in the flesh, in the new testament was attempting to modify the old law so we could be saved by grace. He did not come to eliminate, but to buttress the old testament examples where God encouraged self defense to the point of war. The old testament leaders were warriors, Moses, David, and others would put today’s strategists to shame. What you call neocons are the chosen people of God. Lastly history and time will show that its not I or the USA or Israel that is the fool, but those that support murdering torturing raping terrorists and their sponsors i.e. the enemies of Israel. If you think of Jesus as a stone cold pacifist you are making the same mistake as any casual reader of the bible. Yes Jesus was kind and even had a most pacifist demeanor when he was on earth the first time in the flesh. He gave us easy to follow rules because we could not meet the standards of the old mosaic law. So he gave us a way to have eternal life by him shedding his own blood for us, and following a few simple rules compared to the more than 600 old laws.

Guess what? Not only did we in the last 2000 years not follow the simple rules, no we mucked it up so bad that we are getting to the point that we will be as bad as the near monsters (they were sub human, IMO) that were destroyed by the flood! When Jesus returns he will not be happy! He suffered and gave his own life for much of nothing. We laughed at him and still are in many cases. Here is what Jesus will be when he returns;

“Revelation 19:11-20:3 (NIV) I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. “
We are like spoiled school children that refuses to do simple home work wanting to play instead, and we will pay a price that is much worse than writing a penalty or getting a spanking.


Rev A

 

Hello Hillbilly and my other friends, I don't have time to reply to yalls' posts this morning but will do so shortly~

Rev A

 

Hi there Rev

Just wanted to say good morning to you and wish you a great day!

 

It never ceases to amaze me how angry and intolerant atheists can be.

After all, anyone who understands science realizes that closing off options or indeed selecting options, without definitive proof is at best risky. In that aspect, atheism is no different than any religion - having asked atheists hundreds of times to provide that definitive test upon which to rest the definitive conclusion that there is no God. That would make atheism scientific, the rest is just speculative.

Besides, sceince does get things wrong. The spotted owl controversy that nearly shut down logging industry, planet formation models, etc. all indicate that our understanding of the world aruond us with science is evolving. Science is an intellectual tool, not a belief structure - for that latter part you need atheism, and that rests upon nothing more solid that anything else.

What amazes me most is that the verbiage atheists use to describe religion, far from being scientific and unemotional, it looks and sounds a lot like radicalized talk.

"Islam is manufactured, man-made mythical religion. It is not real. Its Prophet is not real. He is a guess; if anything he said has merit it's because of something called 'coincidence'."

"Juddaism is manufactured, man-made mythical religion. It is not real. Its Prophets are not real. They are a guess; if anything they said has merit it's because of something called 'coincidence'."

The funny part is that we call the first Islamophobia, and the second Anti-Semitism. Atheists call it science.

 

Since when does the will of the American people amount to a pile of crap when pitted against the will of AIPAC and its Christian right heinie-sniffers? The invasion of Iran is ON. If the pretext doesn't come soon, we have one designed.

 

Of course science gets thing wrong-and then it moves forward and refines until it gets things right. This is called 'progress'.
Religion, on the other hand, lives firmly in the bronze-age. Its fundamentalists and evangelisers vilify science (unless it suits their purpose), and it relies on nothing more tangible than faith for its existence.

See, today I could pray for rain. The weather forecast (science) gives rain for later today, but when it arrives should I say that God made it happen?
If rain doesn't arrive I'll happily accept that science got it wrong-but would a god-botherer say that god changed his mind and decided that tomorrow would be better?
Which sounds more plausible to you?

 

Well, other than the gross mischaracterization of my faith, teh simple fact of the matter is there is a wide and growing body of literature that harmonizes religion and science - a body of literature that I strongly support.

This may come as a shock, but there are some things not found in a science book. Compassion, honor, love, freindship, relationships, purpose, etc.

What sound plausible to me is the fact that neither and atheist nor a religious person can snap his fingers and magically end a drought - and you can point the highly inaccurate weather forecaste all you want, the drought will end when it ends. Others will pray and hope that God wills as he wants.

Not sure why pointing to a chart is considered a more scientific method of dealing with something like rain or the lack thereof?

 

My lunch was killed by a blunt instrument. Not a device discovered by science. My house is built from wood and bricks and you are right that we can award science for the discovery electricity but we can also see with our own eyes that the lights are on.

You seem to be one of the people that accepts the "science" of man made global warming as if science is your chosen religion.
I choose the one and only creator of the universe as the foundation of all human religion. Without my god there would be nothing but chaos and confusion, much like we find between the ears of the liberal horde.

Without the religion that the liberal horde hates so much we would simple crush Iran in our national interest and the rest of the Middle East too.

Religion is what we get when one culture or the other uses emotion in an attempt to understand the creator.

The first human emotion was fear, then love and then hate.

 

I think since the creation of Israel, the Israelis have been the primary aggressor. Joseph Stalin supplied the Zionists with a great deal of modern weaponry via the Czechs - machine guns, airplanes, etc.

Begins Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars

List of Irgun attacks

And here's an interview about Zionist ethnic cleansing with Israeli historian Benny Morris: Survival of the Fittest? An Interview with Benny Morris

True.

 

As it turns out, they needed the weapons did they not?

The Russians also supplied Arabs with a great deal of weapons too.

 

It is wrong to blame the victims of Israeli brutality. Israel has been caught attacking clearly marked civilian targets. Children are killed walking to school or cowering in their homes. Israel has been the primary aggressor in the conflict.

For Israel, Innocent Civilians Are Fair Game

quote: On July 15, Israeli fire killed 21 people fleeing from Marhawin, including 13 children; no weapons, no Hezbollah nearby. On July 16, an Israeli bomb killed 11 civilians in Aitaroun, including seven members of a Canadian-Lebanese family on vacation; again, no Hezbollah, no weapons. On July 19, at least 26 civilians were killed in Srifa when Israeli bombs flattened an entire neighborhood; no evidence of military targets. On July 23, at least seven civilians were killed when Israeli warplanes bombed dozens of cars trying to flee the south after receiving Israeli instructions to evacuate immediately; no indication of weapons convoys in the vicinity. The list goes on, with about 500 civilians killed so far.

Could Israel Be Charged With War Crimes?
The repeated bombing of clearly marked civilian buildings is a flagrant violation of international law.



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Please don't mix me up with these America-hating anti-Christian bigots.

Please don't say things like this. The neocons are a secular cabal that takes advantage of decent people like yourself.

I do think Jesus is a pacifist.

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.

Luke 6:27-31 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.

 

Yes.. Jesus was a pacifist.. The Sermon on the Mount is about teaching the Jews how to deal with the Roman occupation.. He's teaching NON violent liberation theology.

 

Yes, to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians. Shooting the elderly and such.

I hope you don't buy into the myths about Israel's creation.

quote: “The Arab League hastily called for its member countries to send regular army troops into Palestine. They were ordered to secure only the sections of Palestine given to the Arabs under the partition plan. But these regular armies were ill equipped and lacked any central command to coordinate their efforts...[Jordan’s King Abdullah] promised [the Israelis and the British] that his troops, the Arab Legion, the only real fighting force among the Arab armies, would avoid fighting with Jewish settlements...Yet Western historians record this as the moment when the young state of Israel fought off “the overwhelming hordes’ of five Arab countries.

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Your 'god' or rather its followers, have caused more chaos, confusion, division, death and war in its name than would fill the pages of a very large book. Religion is humanity's curse, and we would be a much happier and more peaceful planet without that hateful crap infecting it.

 

Is that what you term teh Six Day War and teh Yom Kippur War? The genocide of the Palestinians?

You know what does not help acheive peace? Hyperbolye and teh utter inability to acknowledge the valid concerns that both sides have.

Without that, we will never achieve what both sides want:

Compromise leading to a equitable peace accord.

 

No, our curse is intolerant atheists who have bought the propoganda.

I am glad you read Chris Hitchens, now read a peer reviewed academic history of warfare and you will discover that many people have fought over many things - including atheists.

 

Most mainstream western "historians" are Zionist stooges.

 

WWII anyone?

Today's propaganda is tomorrow's history. Today's history is yesterday's propaganda.

And to speak purely on the mentality of some of these American Israeli supporters, why do I never see any outrage about Israeli spy rings being caught in the Pentagon? Or about the U.S.S. Liberty?
These people are always right wing Republicans and yet the Jewish people are predominantly left-wing socialists. Sometimes -many times- even radical Marxist revolutionaries.

It seems to me that these people were once persuaded to support Israel at an earlier time in their life when they knew nothing about the subject and stubbornness and ego has prevented them from revising their positions.

I have no other explanation for it.

 

It is interesting how mentally sick racist trash attacks jews all day long for alleged transgressions, but never mentions how the arab lobby - many times larger and more powerful than AIPAC could ever be - has helped arab oil money basically run the US and West into the ground economically with their blackmail and extortion.

To the animal racist jew-hating trash, you can whine all you want, but most people in the West support israel and jews because they recognize that it is their cultural commitment to education and hard work that is the driver of their success.

Sadly, most of the racist jew-hating trash will never be smart enough to recognize that their failures are their own, and cannot be blamed on others. But for racist, stupid trash it is easier to blame others for ones' own failings.

 

That's great, I am one of them. Please clarify.

 

well now , SnakeWretcher , with all due diligance , it's a fine line your treading between an on topic post and flame-baiting , and I guess it's fair to say that I am as well , so if we can be civil and stay on-topic , that'd be great.

I will not be baited into a discussion of Religion with you . I believe in God and that the Bible and John 3:16 is real ... RevA feels the same way ...

If you don't agree , hey , it's ok ? I think you're wrong , but it's up to You

Israel may or may not attack Iran now that they have that captured stealth drone
prolly wait a while , wait & watch , closely ...

As I see it , any nuclear detonation in the Middle East will turn oil fields into glass for a few hundred years ,,, I'd as soon not have my gasoline glow in the dark , and that will cause global chaos , and the real danger here is that Iran will blow its own self up in its quest for nuclear ability ...

It don't matter who pops one off , once it happens , everybody's screwed ...

I sure hope you was impressed ,,, ,,,

 

No, you're wrong. Most people in the West DON'T CARE. You live in a Jewish fantasy land where all the peoples of the West (save sick animal trash?) sing "G*d bless Israel" all day long huddled around a dradle but that simply isn't true.

What people do support Israel do so passively. They don't care, either. When asked on the street by a pollster "Do you support Israel?" they might shrug their shoulders and say "sure" but don't mistake that for some sort of mandate.

More over, they only `support` Israel in a "sure" kind of way so long as it doesn't cost them anything. Anti-semitism is in America today a thousand times what it was ten years ago before the Iraq invasion and before Goldman Sachs and Ben Shalom Bernanke started busting out our economic system.

Watch what happens to the "sure" support once AIPAC and the neo-cons lead the nation into yet another Zionist adventure against Iran.

The Anti-Zionist movement on both the left and the right has been growing and stewing under the surface in America for a decade. It has done nothing but grow by leaps and bounds. You have done nothing but LOST support.

I'm so confident in the future I don't even have to resort to personal attacks such as referring to you as a "sick animal."

I can simply smile and look at my watch.

Shalom.