Don't Attack Iran!

Another well meaning member parroting propaganda. Iran certainly does support and aid terrorism and terrorist activities. Read and weep;
State Sponsors: Iran - Council on Foreign Relations
"Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker or terrorism in important ...
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State Sponsors: Iran - Council on Foreign Relations. IRAN TERROR DATA BASE List of Terror Attacks - Iran Terror. Iran Terror Database exposes the clandestine activities of the ...
www.iranterror.com/content/view/38/56/ -

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Since the establishment of the Islamic Republic in 1979, Iran views terrorism as a legitimate means to further its ideological and strategic aims - Exporting the Revolution, for example;
Assisting Islamic groups and organizations worldwide, especially in the Middle East Attacking Israel and attempting to sabotage the political process, destabilizing the regimes of the more pragmatic Arab countries. Eliminating the Iranian regime’s opposition....read more @ ;http://mehr.org/iran_terrorism.htm

We do fund our defense. I hate to be the one to break this to you but ALL nations have a CIA equivalent including yours. So yes most citiens accept the fact that thier lilly white government employs spooks! Dont forget my mantra, all governments are evil by default ! (as I have repeatedly said), so again all of them are going to hire spooks! If that is supporting terrorism every government is a terrorist supporting nation. I respectfully suggest you relax. CIA's remain a necessary evil in this greed dominated world.

Rev A

 

But the post I was replying to said "Iran is the world's #1 terror state...", which it isn't and nothing you have posted says it is.

Who funds Al Qaeda then?

 

If a thread goes off topic...... But you cant expect people not to talk about Iran when the Thread title is about....... Wait for it... Wait for it....


Iran.

 

Your country was raised to support Israel? Rev, your posts are beginning to sound increasingly unhinged to any rational person. Listen to yourself.

 

from your link...

 

Seems the UN itself might have something to say about that 'mandate'. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq

 

BTW wouldn't Call "Americans" terrorists, but I might say their governments at times have engaged in wars of aggression or international terrorists, but it's not a personal thing. I really like the American public and meet a lot of them in my daily life.

 

The USA has been perfectly willing to support, finance and arm terrorists. This is no different from Pakistan's actions which Americans now vociferously condemn.
The financing and arming of Pol Pot and the loathsome Khmer Rouge-probably the worst genocidist since WW2 is well-documented. Funny how Americans don't like to talk about that grubby little episode...

 

I know... I was just making the distinction between Americans and the US gov. as neutral used the phrase "if you want to blame Americans"

 

Yes. It's a pity that US supporters of Israel can't seem to make that same distinction between the Knesset and the Israeli people.

 

Some funding was from Ben Laden himself. According to wiki; "The majority of financing for al-Qaeda in the 1990s and 2000s came from the personal wealth of Osama bin Laden which was estimated at around $300 million.[51] Other sources of income include the heroin trade and donations from supporters.[52]"

Rev A

 

With all due repect I understand how someone un or under educated in theology and related subjects, especially an atheist, would consider my understanding of biblical hermeneutics strange. Read your bible and or a little moderately advanced theology. Speaking about a grip on reality , all people have a certain way with certain quantifiers that describe how they extrapolate reality from the interpretation of their environment . For example, Your quantifying (of reality) depends on authorities. Those authorities are probably the state, science and yourself (meaning your five senses etc). Any Psychologist will tell you that we all employ authorities that we use to construct what we perceive as the real world or reality. Most secular people use science the state and their senses. Religious people, specifically Christians consider God an authority instead of science but may use the state and self to a lesser degree (than an atheist). So I suggest that my interpretation of the bible is nearly the same as few other tens of millions of Christians, people from multi degreed PhD’s to the common man. Our version of a God based reality is dominated by the Pre-millennial futurist interpretation of the bible. So I have a rather dull normal veiw of reality according to most christians instead of a reality built on an aberration, as you seem to think. In fact I suggest that your idea of reality built on that con man of the modern age science, the same science that gave us piltdown man is a far lesser quantifer of reality than is religion.

Rev A

 

The USA is engaged in legal warfare which is much different than terrorism. The only reason the haters are claiming that the USA uses terrorism in Iraq etc is either they are exceedingly ignorant, or maybe they are lashing out due to anger. Why anger? Its because their cause and their terrorist heroes are going down the drain of the meat grinder. That is the reprehensible terrorists are reaping the crop of pain that they sowed. I do pray for their God given souls, and the pain they have brought to their families by choosing such an repressible way in life as all Christians should. I don’t hate the man I hate their hellish crimes against humanity. Terrorists are being destroyed because it's all they understand, ie power. The fact that the most powerful terrorist groups in the world are being decimated one rotten terrorist at a time is something new to them. Really! Genocide of terrorists is the only genocide I approve of and god bless the cleansers. Yes that is tough seemingly unfeeling uncompassionate talk, however I have more compassion and sympathy than a thousand terrorists, however my sympathy and heart goes out to the target of the terrorists, watching my citizen brothers and sisters jumping from the 40th floor of the trade towers or infants being burned alive has ALL of my sympathy and compassion, sorry that leaves none for the perpetrators of terrorist atrocities.

Rev A

 

I hope you are not trying to justify brutal Soviet imperialism.

 

Now I understand why you did not talk to me (your uncle) when you were 18.

 

I completely disagree. Americans are kept in the dark about Israeli brutality.

"Beloved Israel"?! I feel sick. Why should Americans love Israeli militarism?

This child was at a U.N. school in Gaza when Israel attacked.

I think more and more Americans are sick of Israeli intransigence. Americans are tired of being used by the Israelis.

Growing Majority of Americans Oppose Israel Building Settlements

Despite media cover-ups of Israeli crimes many are seeing the light, including American Evangelicals: Coalition of Evangelicals Voices Support for Palestinian State

Jesus called us to be peacemakers, not tools of the neocons. Don't you see you are being fooled by those who despise you?

 

Here are a dozen reasons Christians should not support the Israeli war-mongers:

1) Israel is one of the most secular countries on earth. Israel's founders were mostly secular. Theodor Herzl and Max Nordau were atheists.

2) Many Israelis, both secular and religious, despise and ridicule Christianity. Christian missionaries face restrictions in Israel. Harassment is common.

CHRISTIAN JEWS ARRESTED, PERSECUTED IN ISRAEL

Christians Discriminated Against by Israel

3) Atheist Communist Joseph Stalin can be considered one of Israel’s founding fathers. He provided the weapons the Zionists needed to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

4) The Zionists cooperated with the Nazis.

Jews Against Zionism

5) The Israelis, not the Palestinians, have been the principle aggressors.

Begins Admission in 1982 That Israel Started Three of Its Wars

6) The Zionists have committed numerous terrorist acts against the Palestinians.

List of Irgun attacks

7) The Zionists massacred whole villages of Palestinians, including children and the elderly, and drove people from their homes. How would you feel if you were driven from your home?

Survival of the Fittest? An Interview with Benny Morris

8 ) The Israelis are eager war profiteers.

Israeli arms dealers join Lieberman's entourage to Africa
Except for a few civilian enterprises, almost all Israeli activity in Africa is related to weapons exports.

9) There is nothing in the Bible that obliges Christians to support Israel. In fact we should condemn Israel for their brutality. The belief that Israel is still favored by God after their rejection of the Messiah is un-Biblical and un-Christian.

The Israel of God

10) Many of the worst anti-Christian fanatics - like Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris - are dedicated Muslim-haters.

11) Israel has attacked civilians in Lebanon and Gaza.

For Israel, Innocent Civilians Are Fair Game

Could Israel Be Charged With War Crimes?
The repeated bombing of clearly marked civilian buildings is a flagrant violation of international law.

12) Israel discriminates against the Palestinians.

Israeli Discrimination Against Non-Jews Is Carefully Codified in State of Israel's Laws

UN blasts Israeli marriage law

Discrimination Against Palestinian Arab Children in Israel’s Schools

quote: Nearly one in four of Israel’s 1.6 million schoolchildren are educated in a public school system wholly separate from the majority. The children in this parallel school system are Israeli citizens of Palestinian Arab origin. Their schools are a world apart in quality from the public schools serving Israel’s majority Jewish population. Often overcrowded and understaffed, poorly built, badly maintained, or simply unavailable, schools for Palestinian Arab children offer fewer facilities and educational opportunities than are offered other Israeli children.

 

The international Christian community should offer more support to the Palestinian Christians: Wall squeezes Bethlehem Christians

quote: The Christians here feel beleaguered. They feel the world does not understand their plight. Some of them blame fellow Christians overseas for not doing enough on their behalf.

Reverend Mitri Raheb runs the International Centre of Bethlehem.

"I think personally that it is a shame that the international Christian community is silent towards what is happening to Bethlehem today," he told me.

"The international Christian community is a bit cowardly when it comes to Israel. These are harsh words but I think some people have to hear it."

Another article: ‘O Little Town of Bethlehem’ – Barrier Wall choking Palestinian community in birthplace of Christ

 

Not Iran then.

He can't still be funding them, who funds them now?

 

Tell me Ani, does Jesus care whether an innocent person is killed by a bomb dropped from a fighter or a from a rocket fired randomly but deliberately into a civilian city?

Dead is dead.

When you are fighting a war, people die.

After 60 years, to attempt to say that one side of the other in the IP conflict is the 'cause' is silly. Both sides have made plenty of mistakes, many missed opportunities for peace.

At some point, castigation must give way to comprimise and problem solving.

After all, Jesus gave us another gift, grace and forgiveness - both sides need it.

 

Well said.

I do think, however, that the Israelis have been the primary aggressor.

If Americans Knew

 

Perhaps recently, but that was certainly not the case in the beginning.

Just like teh Arabs discovered when they were the primary aggressor? Israel is discoevring that they gain little and have somehow made themselves less secure.

Like I said, blame will not help. Both sides need to acknowledge mistakes, and, most importantly, attempt to move beyond them.

 

haha, acting as if the UN or International laws matter.....

 

I understand that a lot of Americans have only recently taken an interest in politics and these people probably listen to Sean Hannity or whatever other hack political commentator, right or left, they think is so insightful.

And therefor these people might also believe, having only been watching reality television and MTV for ten years, that this Iranian 'threat' to the U.S. is new.

In truth we have been hearing this garbage about Iran for over ten years now. Every few weeks Fox News breaks a new story about how "Iran is possibly only months away from getting a nuclear weapon!"

They've been a "few months away" for a decade.

It's getting old.

America, bless it's little heart, has no stomach for another neo-con adventure in the Middle East involving men on the ground and mutilated American soldiers.