Dr. Ben Carson for V. P. in 2016 and for President in 2024?!

The problem is you haven't defined your criteria for a healthy economy. Most people use GDP growth like I have. If you have a different measure, please share it.

 

What's inflation like? How far does the average wage go? What are the prices for basic goods and services? What does the national debt look like? Is the budget balanced? How many people hold a job?
GDP is just as poor an indicator by itself as the "unemployment" numbers we've been talking about.

 

I really like and admire Ben Carson, but I don't think he's ready to be president just yet. Give him a few years of experience, then let him run.

 

Virtually non-existent.

Keeping up with inflation.

Flat over the last 12 months.

Now this is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, but more indicative of a failed government than a failed economy.

We've already been down that rabbit hole. Employment is keeping up with population as it should.

GDP is not a complete indication of economic performance, but it cannot be ignored either. Our economy isn't growing like crazy, but it is certainly not collapsing or on the verge of collapse. Too much growth can be just as bad as not enough, creating the bubbles we saw with the internet in 2000 and housing in 2006. Economic performance should be measured not by the magnitude of any indicator but by the rate of change.

 

You wanna try again sparky? http://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=10&year=1950

Yeah sure and that's why we DON"T have people harping for a $15 dollar minimum wage because a dollar goes just as far. Now tell me the fairy story about Repunzel Master Grimm!! I do love it ever so much!!

I'm not asking about this year. You wanted to compare the 50's to today. So compare them. You're not going to like what you find.

Its indicative of massive deficit spending, part of that from government programs the government has no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing business running, part from absurdly giving money away to foreign powers that HATE us, and part from foolish foreign wars.

Yeah we disagree on that. Again you've got people dropping entirely out of the workforce which changes YOUR "unemployment" numbers and you trumpet that as a victory. It's absurd.

Not talking about inflating a bubble, just saying growing GDP aint an indicator of a properly functioning economy. Its an indicator of itself and that's it.

 

According to this calculator, inflation over the last year was only 0.76%. How is this a problem?

You asked about average wages, not minimum wages. And yes, minimum wages are a problem, especially when the average and top wages are still increasing.

Between 1950 and 1955, inflation averaged 2.5% per year. Between 2010 and 2015, inflation averaged only 1.69% per year. How are we worse off now?

Again, that is a problem with government, not the economy.

Nearly 10,000 people are dropping out of the work force every day. It's called retirement and it will continue through 2030 when the last of the baby boomers reach retirement age. Unless you think people should work until they drop dead, I don't see how this is a problem.

And when you look at all of these indicators together, it shows a steadily growing economy which is exactly what we need. There is no pending financial catastrophe unless investors reacting to such hyperbole cause one themselves.

 

You were the one who wanted to compare us to the 50s. Not my fault you made a bad choice.

Which wouldn't be a problem if not for.... wait for it...... wait for it...... inflation.

Because inflation doesn't reset year to year. It steadily increases. See the calculator where $10 in 1950 would be you $100 worth of stuff today.
What is so hard to grasp about that? 1.69*5= 8.45. Our money is worth less than it was before. You can't just print money willy nilly just like you can't just rack up debt willy nilly.

In a mixed market economy (which we have) the government seriously effects the economy. So does all that debt and dumb ass policy decisions.

Except we're not TALKING about RETIREMENT we're talking about UNEMPLOYMENT. You're going to have to do better than that if you want to dodge.

Debt keeps increasing, spending keeps increasing. Inflation ain't stopping. People are getting "discouraged" out of the workforce, making the unemployment number "drop" because its a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty way of measuring things which politicians then trumpet to say their policies are working. Stupid people buy that and vote for them again and the cycle continues.
Not a huge collapse, no. Just a slow bleeding out.

 

It's not my fault you cannot show how our economy was so much better off in the 50's.

Your argument is that our economy will not be better of than the 50's until a dollar is worth what it was back in the 50's? Seriously?

Actually, that is exactly what government has to do if the money supply is going to keep up with the economy. If the GDP is 1$ trillion and there are 100$ billion dollars in circulation, what happens to the dollar when GDP grows to 1.1$ trillion if we don't print another 10$ billion dollars?

I'm not denying that government can affect the economy, but bad government doesn't automatically make for a bad economy either.

Except you haven't shown how people leaving the workforce are discouraged workers and not people retiring because they can finally afford to. And you never will because retirees is exactly what they are.

And your only evidence of this is the "real unemployment" which you can't even measure?

 

Carson is going to be a big surprise to people when he explains what he wants done as president.
He did not get to equal Bush in the last Poll by repeating complaints against Obama and saying that ISIS must be attacked, as they all are doing right now.

Carson has ideas which you will understand as he fights the TV big money on all sides against him, with just the Truth about what he believes must be done.
He will not be trying to tell the voters what everyone else thinks they want to hear.

 

Buying power was increased. Less debt. Less inflation. Better growth. Large middle class. ETC.

Part of it is reducing inflation to a level where a dollar spends farther, yes.

Go google the term "Willy nilly". Now re-write this line.

Not automatically, no. But in this case? Yes it does.

Which is why your link from before had a group for "out for 12 months but would take a job though not looking for one" but not for "out 13 months same" or "out and not looking; on the tit and happy about it.". Which follows around to the original point: That number sucks diseased moose wang.

 

No economists notices or else does not report that every ten years the GNP doubles.

It is also true that taxes are around 20% of the GNP, regardless from where they may come.
So what we see now is that GNP did NOT double this last ten years.
To just pay our bills, the Fed has had to borrow about $1.5 trillion dollars each year now, since 2008.

If the Fed does not borrow the whole $1.5 trillion dollars, it must be printed,... so more money can be used to buy our own Bonds.

So the low GNP tells us that we are borrowing to pay Bills from ourselves, or China.
So the economy is not healthy.

 

Have you seen the film:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_China
Death by China

 

Would you say that Dr. Ben Carson is one of the most feared G. O. P. hopefuls?

Would you say that serious bucks are going to be spent to attempt to knock him out of this as soon as possible?

 

Yes, like many intelligent people, I fear what will happen should someone as stupid as Dr. Ben Carson be elected President.

Probably not. His campaign appears to be imploding all on its own.

 

Like Alan Keyes and Herman Cain, Dr. Carson will neither be the 2016 GOP Presidential nor Vice-Presidential nominee.

I am willing to wager on that.

 

I don't kniw what Carson's chances are.
He is outspoken, and claimshe thinks for himself on all his ideas.
He is very confident,too.

But $$$$ seems to rule in the end.

It will be interesting to see how much he says, and whether he has the right ideas.
But whatever he says, it ought add to the messages out there now, which are all wrong on so many issues.

 

But….. Jeb would do well to consider Mitt Romney's advice that he….. may not be the most well prepared to defeat Hillary Clinton.

And I have to admit….. that Dr. Ben Carson becoming V. P. in 2024 and President in 2032…… has advantages as well.

http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...tle-eight-years-when-you-could-have-16-a.html

Jeb Bush…. why settle for eight years when you could have 16?
What I mean by this is that I am making the exact same suggestion to you Sir, that I made to Dr. Ben Carson and his team a few months ago.

Jeb………. Mr. Mitt Romney impresses me as somebody who makes a serious attempt to tell the truth when it comes to critical matters. (Like your older brother he knows though that
once one attains the office of President of the United States, under certain conditions one must learn to not tell ALL THE TRUTH…on all subjects, all the time, because by doing so a great deal of harm can be done. President George W. Bush was
extremely wise to allow so many American to think that he was foolish…… as opposed to letting them know how much danger they actually had been in previous to the decision to invade Iraq)?!

Jeb……. Mitt has a valid point…. that he might just be in a better position to defeat Senator Hillary Clinton than you are…………. so obviously if you spoke with him and agreed to be his candidate for V. P…… then America would be amazed by your act of humility……… and the G. O. P. might just have Mitt Romney as President from 2016 to 2024 and Jeb Bush as President from 2024 to 2032?!

 

There are some fascinating advantages in Dr. Ben choosing Dannion Brinkley to be his running mate. That could alter the formula and ....... set up Dannion to be V. P. in 2016.............. and President in 2024.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...mpaign-gains-momentum-g-o-p-can-reformed.html


If Dannion Brinkley's campaign gains momentum.... the G.O.P. can be reformed!
In my opinion...… The Democrats and G. O. P. are too divided......… if they can find more common ground to cooperate on...… they would become somewhat more polite to each other...… and the stage would be set for significant progress.

There is a near death experiencer who is willing to campaign for the office of POTUS and if his campaign gains momentum...… and if his desire to team up with Donald Trump comes to pass........... the most bigoted members of the G. O. P. could well confront information that will transform how they view the LGBT community???!

 

hypocrisy much ??

 

like both he has too many skeletons in his closet

 

I like Benny Carson's strong advocacy of socialized medicine in his one area of expertise. A single-payer system for the US makes eminent sense.

However, he is otherwise totally unqualified, and entertains some especially bizarre notions.

The elite GOP establishment only dangles him out there as yet another roadside attraction, and would never allow him on their ticket.

 

The GOP WILL NEVER NOMINATE SOMEONE BLACK.

Is that loud enough?

 

Somehow I suspect Carson's almost unintelligible religious babble in the " debate" will only appear to a very small audience.

 

Well the Republicans couldn't get Rice to run as their token so they had to settle for Carson.

 

He'll rank right up there with Herman "999" Cain.