Educated vs "Non-Educated"

You reached puberty.

 

That post is older than two years and it is kind of creepy to quote a post older than three years and stalk random posters like that.

 

In the words of the great Albert Einstein ... "I agree".

 

If you lined up 500 educated people, and 500 high school graduates or worse, in which of the two groups will you find the greater degree of ignorance?

It will be the high school graduates or less. That's a no brainer.

I went to college for a liberal education. I studied civics, politics, art history, English & writing, math, music, sociology, anthropology, etc.

It really expanded my horizons and improved my critical thinking skills. I also learned to type (on a typewriter, there were no PCs or laptops in those days). 30 years later, when computers came to the household, a keyboard was a cinch.

No, a mere high school education doesn't mean you are ignorant, of course, and education is no assurance one will not be ignorant after going to college, but the odds are better. I have known some really intelligent and motivated high school grads and some fairly dumb college grads, but that being said, the odds are better in the educated group that they will be less ignorant. But education is no assurance of wisdom, just ask Oppenheimer.

 

I don't believe that and I'm sure it's not true.

 

I take it you are in the second group.
More and more Chinese are coming to the US for university studies, why do you suppose that is? Could it be that the more it increases the highly educated members of it's workforce the less dependent on the foreign expertise? In 50 years will all the white collar jobs be in China and the US moving to physical labor only?

 

I can explain on my part. English is my second language. Since I managed to conquer good English grammar despite that fact, I'm bothered personally by the use of poor grammar from people born to the language. I don't criticize poor grammar on line but it does bother me. I can see how it might bother others as well.

I don't think it has much to do with higher education. I assume they still teach grammar in elementary school. I could be wrong about that.

 

'Education' does not necessarily equal intelligence. 'Education' does not necessarily equal 'success' in life.

Critical thinking ability, communication skills, ambition, aptitude and determination create a more well rounded person than spending years in institutions where, unfortunately, you are only hearing information from someone else's perspective.

While for the higher levels of society such as doctors, engineers and the like 'education' is absolutely necessary, but applying what they have learned in real life is the polish on the book learning.

 

If they do that today in America, it is not a subject but a portion of English classes. I think there are many reasons for the decline in grammar. Part of that is of course lack of knowledge- and lack of caring, pride in yourself, and the way you present yourself. Unfortunately, that quality is slipping in American culture today. American students come in around 25th place compared to basic skills like english when compared to other nations. We are not at or even close to the standard we should be achieving.

I'm aware that good grammar sends a far better message than poor- and I write a lot, some of it very important in terms of needing to send confidence as well as words. Recently, I ran across a very practical program that makes it easy. It runs alongside others- such as when I write a forum post, it's watching and helping. I'm still using the free version; it has live spelling correction and substantial grammar correction. It presents the issue and suggests the correction; you can accept or pass with one click. The paid one has far more capacity.

In the paragraph above- the program made around 15 corrections to my original typing, simplifying what otherwise is a careful proofread. This is called Grammarly- https://www.grammarly.com/

 

Is there something wrong with physical labor?

Are you saying white collar classes always exploit the physical labor class and you want to exploit foreign workers?

 

You are absolutely right, and it's unfortunate that more people do not understand that. The fact is that life is a university, and if you want to learn- class is open 24/7. You do have to want to learn, and you do have to pay attention- but is it there for all who chose to take advantage of it.
One of my favorite sources is Charles Kettering; his quote in my footer says it well.

The other aspect that will be present along with knowledge and understanding in the best of us will be the motivation to use what we know well, to actually perform, to make a difference.
I've called this my emotional paycheck, the reward I feel for doing anything well. I can't work for money alone- I want that paycheck, the satisfaction of achievement or at least doing my best.

 

And you think that because..... intelligence is irrelevant when confronted by an opposition? Your problem is that you do not understand what "ignorance" is. You are like those who use the expression "conspiracy theory" as though the theory itself is inherently false. English is a language and every word means something. You can't just make up definitions out of thin air or from popular misconceptions. Oh well, yes you can. The US is very good at doing that sort of thing: "Hot water freezes faster" - "Suicide bombers are cowards" - "You are either with us or against us" - "You'd be speaking German if it weren't for us", etc. etc. etc. A heap of bullshit.

NOTE: IGNORANCE. What does it mean?
* Not knowing something.
* Not knowing what?
* Anything at all.
* Who isn't ignorant about something?

Every human being on earth is knowledgeable about some things and ignorant about other things. So, cut the crap about ignorance, get sensible, and quit pretending that knowledge represents an elite percentage of humanity.

Ps. And don't try to tell me to what group I belong or I might overwhelm you with more facts than you thought possible.

 

My main problem with internet posts is leaving out words or making occasional typographical errors. My brain works faster than my fingers despite my being a fast typist. I can review my writing and miss the fact that I left out a word or two. Senior moments. As a businessman you understand the importance of putting your best foot forward. I'm a business owner myself so I agree with that.

 

I am developing the same problem. Prepositions sometimes get left out. Latent dyslexia? I also speed type but I see an increasing number of last letters in a word ending up as the first letter in the next word with a gap preceding it.

 

The two reason I have seen cited most often are with the hope they can land a job in the US and the other one is that they can study whatever they want in the US as opposed to China where the state decides what you will study, if anything, based on what its needs are and where your test scores land you.

 

Welcome to the club.

 

Lots of truth is exposed in this thread, and countervailing points of view seem to leverage the question of whether or not achievement in "education" necessarily leads to financial success, or not.

Indeed, as noted again and again, there are many examples of people becoming financially successful without ever having gotten an "education". I won't drone on the obvious... the statistical likelihood of enjoying economic success is demonstrably better for those with an "education" than for those who never achieved it. So... my point?

My comment here is that all these opinions about who makes how much money aside, I notice that while those who never achieved a Bachelor's Degree express a kind of spiteful envy of those who did, whereas people who did achieve at least a Bachelor's Degree never express the same kind of envy of those who did not.

Education is its own reward! And whether a person achieves financial success because of it, or without it, is another concern altogether.

 

How is that stalking? I just came across your post while looking back through some of mine. Anyway, you're right, it is actually more than three years ago when you said that you could pass as "Culturally Christian", but you no longer think that. So I was just curious what changed. Perhaps you're uncomfortable talking about it, which is fine.

 

Engaging in an annoying course of conduct directed at a person that serves no legitimate purpose.

 

Ah, you must be referring to our conversation about your amazingly "culturally Christian" life! Yeah that was certainly annoying for you because you had nothing in response to my scrutiny!

 

I am sure this must in this thread, but it bears repeating...

"I never let my schooling interfere with my education."

Mark Twain

 

I was a “Jack of all trades” before I turned 19, and mainly because my Uncles owned at least 10 skilled-trade businesses in North Dakota, Ward County.

Education; 4 years at CU Boulder, P.Eng.

Employment; I worked for Phillips Petroleum, Exxon, HESS, 1984 - 2020, 6 figure income.

And then, a sole proprietor since June 2021. Estimated 2023 Gross Revenue; $325K

Total assets; $3 million, inherited, $2.2 million

IMO, without skills, one can’t be successful.

 

No. I'm referring to your annoying course of conduct directed towards Ritter although there are similarities to your inadequacies during our earlier chat. Yes, I can see no legitimate purpose in your contributions there either.

 

Successful at what?

 

Career and financial independence.