Egyptian army slaughters protestors

I wise man once said, "Its not such a big deal to go around eating the wrong foods, but spouting the wrong words, thats a different story".

 

When they kicked Morsi out they should have zapped him and his minions. It was a mistake letting him and his gang live.

 

Morsi is the elected President of the Muslim Brotherhood not the elected President of Egypt.

 

actually, EGYPT should terminate all involvement with the US and decline the aid. They don't need it as aid is rushing in like crazy.

 

Yes, Morsi made a pig's ear out of a silken purse of opportunity. However, he is still Egypt's elected president according to all the precedents of representative democracy- including those in other States overthrown by American-orchestrated coups. The election of the Muslim Brotherhood struck fear into the hearts of corrupt Israeli and US of AIPAC organisations- that was evident from the outset. By emulating and joining with the externally-motivated , Libya and Syria-esque rent-a-mobs the Egyptian people have re-opened the floodgates of corruption and repression. Again, they are controlled by the military. If they cannot see that this snuffing-out of their democracy was funded by an annual 1.3 billion dollars paid directly to the military by the the US of AIPAC then there is something seriously wrong with their internal media and social connection processes. There are murders in the streets, the arrests have started. The assassins and rooftop snipers will be named as Morsi supporters and Western surveillance and control companies will be queuing up for contracts. Avenues of political protest will be closed and anti-establishment candidates removed. Egyptians will be encouraged to betray each other. Ask any Gazan, any Iraqi, any Libyan, any Afghan, any Syrian.

All they had to do was to suffer a rotten government for another three or four years and then democratically swap it for another one, like everybody else.

 

Egypt should simply break diplomatic relations with the US.

Aid is coming from the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia who intend to draw Egypt into the great Sunni/Shia Civil War.

 

They needs cannon fodder for the war with Iran.
The Saudis provide the money and Egypt will provide the blood.
Arabian justice at its best.

 

You may be right there and that would go along with this being a Saudi inspired coup with US acquiescence or who knows maybe the other way round. It will be the US also responsible for Egyptian blood and all for Israel.

 

I'd like to know the colour of this , puppet-appointed, ' commission ' to investigate the murders.

 

- See more at: http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.co....en-he-says-us-wasnt.html#sthash.pYktdlsm.dpuf

Lots of information here

 

This rebellion in Egypt should serve as a warning to all elected leaders. We in the west have been conditioned into accepting that our elected leaders will be there until the next election, even if they go against the majority consensus of the people who elected them. For example there were huge demonstrations in the UK against the invasion of Iraq before the invasion began, but I don't recall much in the way of calls for Blair to be removed from office.

As we saw with Mrs Thatcher, it is only other politicians who can remove a British PM from office, and a mechanism enabling US politicians to impeach US Presidents exists in the US. We accept that other politicians can remove our elected leaders from office during their terms, but the public has no such right to do so.

Here's a good article on the rebellion:

 

I don't have a problem with the Tamarod but it would be naive to think they cannot be used.

 

If this was a US sponsored military coup, made to look like a popular uprising that the Egyptian army subsequently decided to support, the logical course of action would be for Obama and other western politicians to say that they are supporting the will of the Egyptian people.

But try searching google news for ''Tamarod'' and you'll find very little mention of it in western media, and particularly in the US. I doubt you would find the word ''Tamarod'' even being mentioned by any western politician.

When the Japanese were defeated in WW2, the people of the united Korea set up their own system of government, based on people's committees, where the people made the decisons. While the Soviets changed the system in the North so that their choice of dictator had the real power, the US completely overthrew the new order in the South and privatised everything. According to Noam Chomsky, the people of Greece and Northern Italy had mostly driven the Nazis out and set up their own systems of grass-roots governments, prior to the allied invasion. So the first thing the UK and US did was to overthrow what the people had installed, and re-establish the old hierarchical systems, where the politicians and their sponsors have the real power.

Tamarod is the sort of grass-roots movement that those in power everywhere, have good reason to fear.

 

True about the name 'Tamarod'. It was Abu who introduced me to the term

It is also so that on another forum an Egyptian Christian Palestinian Refugee could have been alluding to something like this. Speaking about the people's will but that he did not believe in democracy as we have it. He for whatever reason refused to say more - it was a very hostile environment.

 

Democracy is just fine. It's Representative Democracy which is sick. Can we have democracy without figureheads ? You bet. It's ideas and policies which are important, not teeth , hair or tits. Can we vote for ideas and policies ? Of course. Put your shoulder to the wheel and help rescue democracy from tyrants.

 

Well, fancy that.

 

The more I read about Tamarod, the more I like the idea. As they are a peaceful secular movement who are opposed to all forms of tyranny, there isn't really a bad word that anyone can say about them. While western governments have supported all sorts of despotic regimes, and ''rebels'' who use violence to overthrow governments they don't like, I can't think of any peaceful grassroots movements they have supported anywhere in the world.

The BBC is one of the few western MSM outlets who are reporting on Tamarod. Here's an article from 1st July, which includes the list of grievances on their petition:

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So it would seem that the army has stepped in and done what Tamarod asked them to do. Even so, they are now saying:

Here's another article I read a few days ago:

France24 is one of the other few western MSM sources that reported on Tamarod last week, and today they posted this:

Even some Palestinians are trying to get in on the act.

It seems that a vote for Morsi in 2012, was a vote against the old regime as much as it was a vote for the Muslim Brotherhood, and even at that Morsi barely won the election. So the people of Egypt have now decided that Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood have had their chance to represent the people's interests, and failed.

Our idea of ''democracy'' involves having the right every few years to either tell the existing government to carry on for another few years, or else to replace them with the opposition. Our political parties are so entrenched, that we know that when we vote one out of office, it will be voted back in again in due course.

We elect politicians to positions of having power over us, where they make the major decisions. Whereas it should be the job of politicians to decide how to implement whatever decisions the people have made. Just as most people do not have a right to continue in their jobs but rather their employer has the right to fire them or make them redundant; politicians should not have the right to continue to the end of their term in office, but rather it should be the people's right to remove them, and their parties, whenever the people decide. Just as with the help of the army, Tamarod have done in Egypt.

The people of Egypt are defining the job description of their elected politicians, just as employers define the job descriptions of their employees, and just as we should all have the right to do with our own politicians in our own countries.

 

Yes, but we don't need ' politicians ' for that. We should be selecting the best ideas and policies for us all, electronically and regionally, and our selections should be implemented by professional facilitators, not politicians. No ' representatives ' are required.

Within existing representative democracies- which is what most of us are currently saddled with- politicians can be sacked by their parties, at our behest, and leaders can be impeached and removed within the law and within the scope of our respective constitutions. It should never be necessary to remove them by force and the idea of a constitution which permits tanks on the streets is seriously unworkable.

 

Well, I agree with the democracy bit.
Someone was elected, and so technically this is a coup IMO.

That said, I have also seen video from the army which does show "Morsi supporters" firing at them, apparently first.

 

I don't think the US is responsible for anything now it the ME.
As of now the US is clueless and has backed off all the crazyness going on in the ME.
Obama does not care, he got his Nobel prize for doing nothing, so he continues to do so rigorously.

 

Sure, attack an army. Great plan.

 

Well I suppose if their jobs didn't entail making political decisions, they wouldn't be ''politicians.''

But what if an elected leader oversteps his mandate, and his colleagues support him in doing so? Morsi should have resigned in the face of the protests and set an early date for elections.

I'm beginning to think that the Egyptian people made the wrong decision. Here's an interesting article from the NYT which makes the whole thing sound eerily like what happened in Venezuela to undermine Chavez.

I'd be interested to hear what Abu has to say about this. Have gas lines disappeared, energy shortages ended, police returned to the streets, and if so why do you think this has all suddenly happened?

Add to that the fact that all the money now being promised to Egypt is coming from the US supported Gulf dictatorships who oppose the Muslim Brotherhood, while Qatar supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and it is also the Gulf dictatorship which has most openly supported Hamas. And, one of the first things the Egyptian army did after deposing Morsi was to close the Rafah crossing.

The main difference between now and 2011, seems to be that public opinion in Egypt has been turned against the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

Do you mean a scenario such as Blair taking the UK to war with Iraq ? Something like Obama bugging half the world and all of his own countrymen ?

 

For whatever reason(s) the population of any particular country decide.

 

That's the Ikhwan for ya.