Egyptian army slaughters protestors

I didn't say he had done it, rather I was trying to make the point that that was where people were going. I should have been more clear on that point.

There's something of a civil war/revolution/civil unrest going on there, so I'd have to say someone is exercising some freedom of choice. And to a degree, almost everything we post here is a bit simplistic - a complete answer to many of the questions asked here would take many pages to write.

Well then you ultimately got my point, that we have a number of posters doing exactly that.

Like I said, that rant was not really directed at you.

You are correct. The one that gets the most press here is AIPAC. We have a couple posters here that can't go three sentences without mentioning that. And like I said, at that point the post wasn't about you at all but was more a general rant about the state of this forum..

You're a hopeless optimist. Then again, we need more of that here.

 

This is called provocation, and is again causing more anger in the people, are radicalizing even more by this slaughter (more people revolutionize) By all this emotion in the people and all the(ir) problems, they can be organized much easier In 2014 new 'elections', means nothing to elect, only their organisation is going to push further.)
The longer people believe they will get freedom via politics, the more their freedom is going to disappear (their organisation is on the way) Why do the Egyptian people keep believing in 'democracy' while Mubarak and Morsi have been democratically-elected but only have worked to cause a revolution in Egypt? 'Mubarak' and 'Morsi' have cause this revoltution, the next leader is gaining power from that history, means the peope will have a bigger problem than before, in 2014 when new election will be organised and if they are going to give up their power (their vote, or voice, they don't really have)
You can predict what will happen after three revolts and this massive organisation (their end of freedom, as happened to many populations before in history)

 

If you have any trust at all in the reports of distinguished journalists then there can be no doubt that the carnage was initiated by the Egyptian army firing live rounds into the demonstrators. This was a case of brutal and illegal actions by the perpetrators of the coup against civilians demonstrating for the continuation of their democracy.

You can dismiss any subsequent claims of who began the killing. This reporter was on the spot and himself wounded by Egyptian army fire. Mubarak was on trial for ordering the killing of civilian demonstrators. Now those responsible for these murders must also be winkled out and tried. Their identities must be made known now. Justice can take its course when possible.

You are correct in saying that ' democracy ' in Egypt will be meaningless unless this first, democratically-elected , president is treated with respect and within the law. It's a side-issue that he may have made many mistakes. He didn't go out into the streets are MURDER his fellow citizens.

 

Egyptians have never experienced democracy and they thought that parliamentarism was the answer, well it is obviously not and the next government will face same issues even if they approach them in a different way. Religious lunacy in ME is like nationalism in Europe , a cure of all diseases... so it is prescribed either by centers inside Egypt or ones from abroad but this really isn't the point.
I made the connection with Bulgaria before and i will do it again now, once people realise that they can topple unpopular governments there is no way back and what the new administration will try to do other than play the game and bow to international capitalism this time with the backing of the foreign financed army ?

I am very afraid that if the locals refuse to shallow the pill the "democratically elected" will drop the masks and show what they really are , autocrats.
Eh and so far in Europe we are swallowing everything .

 

With so many fanatics around that are not educated to tolerance, how can there be anything other then civil war? 2 things shock me

1) The level of the hate in the streets, saw some of Abu films, was shocked that ppl are out to kill, not talking about Manslaughter but actual murder, and they are of the same nation...
2) Why the hell doesnt the Army take over ??? what are they waiting for? 100 dead, 1000 dead? it wont go away, if its just for US $ then its worth the price I say, the alternative is the destruction of Egypt byound repair.

 

Actually, it was the son of Ghenghis Khan (Ulugai) who authorized the invasions of the Middle East and Eastern Europe. It was his death that called off the invasions (partly) although Russia and Iraq/Iran had to pay tribute to the Mongols for a couple of hundred years.

 

Moon

the article is only mentioning the day time event not the night time one so is actually misleading

During day the army warned all protesters to not approach the entrance to Republican Guard HQ or they would fire.
Everyone knew about this warning so they stayed behind barbed wire on road chanting they would break down gate and Free Morsi and nothing happened.
Bowen is talking about when a group of about 5-6 ran at that gate and one was carrying something to place on top of barbed wire at gate ( what was that object? could it be bomb? what was army thinking it was?) and the army started shooting at these 5-6. This was in daytime and was filmed. That is what Bowen is describing. The army warned them then they ignored warning and the shooting started. I am trying to imagine the same thing in another country and how they would react to assault on a military HQ and how another army would have reacted and I think the reaction would have been the same don't you think?

The one Bowen doesn't describe because he was not at that one is the Fajr (dawn) prayers where during the prayer a crowd of unknown (terrorist or whatever you want to call them) shouting Allahu akbar and saying they were going to climb walls and release Morsi ran at gate and army started to shoot at them. This was the massacre you are all talking about.

Again I have to ask the question.

A group of 50 men in the dark all shouting allahu akbar and storming HQ gate saying they were going to release someone being under house arrest by the army.

If say that happened in London or New York or Paris how would those armies have responded?

Do you think they would have called a meeting to discuss it?
Do you think they would have let them climb the walls and enter and free the man arrested?

Even Ala' Al Aswany is supporting army decision! of all people you have him actually supporting the army and how t5hey reacted which shows no sympathy at all for Ikhwan and even today their call for sit in has at most no more than 100 at university so far......................

Ikhwan are finished in Egypt

 

The article chronicles the intitiation of unacceptable, Mubarak-style, violence by the Egyptian army and is not ' misleading ' in any way, shape nor form. These protestors were murdered and wounded by the instigators of a coup against Egyptian democracy. What follows is as a result of those murders.

 

if this was a coup then so was Mubaraks ouster

there is very little sympathy for Ikhwan and Wahabism

they were given chance to prove themselves and show real face and they did

now it's time to go

that is democracy and Islam when we choose who leads us and Islam gives us right to choose again if they lead us down wrong path

that is Islam and they were leading us down wrong path so we choose again according to our religion


Islam does not have Western style presidential terms of 4 years or 5 years where we have to suffer bad leaders till the day their leadership ends. We have right to choose again judged on majority and what is right and what is just.

 

The elections were fraudulent - "big time" There were 22 million Egyptians that signed a petition to get rid of Morsi

Obama was supporting Morsi - when he should have been supporting the coup.

The "protestors" were armed - since when to peaceful protestors carry guns to a rally ?

Letting the extremist policies of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt go forward only serves to support terrorism and restrict freedom.

 

Crazy Ikhwanis
doing their aerobics


[video=youtube;OpQAraexKqc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OpQAraexKqc[/video]

 

cars honking horns and cheering and saluting soldiers at checkpoints Cairo friend said as he drove around

 

The Anti Morsi protest was the biggest EVER gathering of Egyptians in our history.

Egypt never saw that amount of people out on the streets ever so the country rose up against the Ikhwan in huger number than against Mubarak which proves something.

The Ikhwan knew they were finished and I believe needed outside support and that was why they ended up pleading with USA and the others to help save them and to call it a coup to re instate Morsi.

They played last card in the game left to them in their struggle to survive.

Badei the supreme guide that night on stage called on them to martyr themselves with their blood and to die to free Morsi from the HQ and that is what I believe they did.

Badei of course was nowhere to be seen and not leading these uneducated peasant villagers whose blood was cheap to him and was probably watching it all from safety of this TV.

The army won not just that last deal of cards by the Ikhwan but the people.

As I said all along a lot of this was Egypt was caught between a Royal tribal Gulf Arab fight for dominance between Qatar and Saudi. This was obvious.

Saudi can send as many billions to Egypt as it likes but in return it will not be allowed to export it's terrorism to Egypt.

Egyptians tasted Wahabism and it was bitter poison.

They can keep it in Riyadh and in mountains of Afghanistan far away from us and all other countries should leave us alone now.

 

Crap. Egypt rejoiced at Morsi's election. He was elected by popular majority.

If true, what about the other 75% of Egyptians ?

If Morsi was universally unpopular then he could have been easily defeated by way of calling another general election. He was NOT universally unpopular and the Muslim Brotherhood may well have won any such election. That's why Morsi's opposition opted for a coup and murders in the streets. Only ingrained hypocrites could topple Mubarak as a murderer and then adopt his own tactics for their own ends.

 

? Ikhwani shoots dead another Ikhwani point blank range outside Republican Guard HQ and pretends to fall on floor after sound of gunshot to try to blame shots came from behind HQ walls by army

Area was well secured by 6 levels of Ikhwan checking all ID's to get into that area.

[video=youtube;r_JTClhanhc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_JTClhanhc[/video]

 

Egyptians rejoiced not at Morsi being elected but at Shafik losing

I think only 38% eligible to vote not 75%

Morsi only won by less than 2% and only because of Shafik

 

pro and anti protesters now chanting outside US embassy and US embassy has disabled comments on it's Twitter page

Saudi signed the check today to stop any protest outside theirs tonight

 

comment by activist

"Like your idiot American president once said to the world you are either with us or against us"

Now it's our turn to tell you

"You either choose Egypt and be with us or choose the Ikhwan and be against us"

 

I would have popped open the nearest fire hydrant, aimed the water on that huge flag - then turned it into a slip-'n-slide. But that's just me.

How dare those people disagree with Our Most Eminent Messiah! Don't they realize he has a Nobel Peace Prize?

Abu, get over to the embassy now and tell them to stop, lest His Magnificence remove their souls from their bodies with but a wave of his hand!

 

America should terminate all involvement in the affairs of the Egyptian people. Cut the aid to the Egyptian military.

 

That is not what I am hearing from "the sand monkey" and other sources. 22 million is more than voted in the last election.

 

That may very well happen.

 

Private paramilitaries guard Wisconsin mining site from protesters

SO!!!!

I have to ask the question what are those guys planning to do with those guns if say 50 activists try to overpower them and FREE some bags of Taconite?



and what exactly is taconite?

something they make tacos with

 

- and this has WHAT exactly to do with the Egyptian crisis?

 

Israel are begging them not to do that

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possibly when it cuts itself free from Israel but until that day you will just have to work hard to pay taxes to send to us Shukran habibi