Egypt's second revolution - June 30 2013 !!

The...JOBS...that I sometimes do allow me to experience first hand what certain people who use a variety of mechanisms to control a population. They control their freedoms by a system of self imposed fear and worship.

These people I have to deal with have cleverly devised methods of using Religious Beliefs as a way to get entire populations of countries to all on their own allow these clever people to control just about every aspect of their lives including what they think and believe.

The really sick thing about it if if you were to tell a member of such a population that they were being used and manipulated....they would fight you to the death!

When such sick and clever people take things a step too far...this is the usual point I and my team are sent in to allow them one last chance to fly straight. Sometimes things go smooth. Sometimes they do not and it is my job to keep safe the young men who are in my charge.

I think I am going to have to go to Egypt but I won't know for certain for a few days. I really would prefer not to go...but I was asked if I could and like an idiot I said yes.

If I do end up going I will be trying to broker a deal between people that in public and on TV will show a face that would tell people their duty is to the people and Islam....but I know better.

Their DUTY is to the BANK ACCOUNT!

It usually takes a few hours before they realize I am not going for the...Holier than Thou ...routine.

After this is out of the way the next thing such people would say is....I WANT THIS MUCH!

AboveAlpha

 

What you are dealing with is realpolitik, the politics of power. Government. Right? There's got to be a better way. Maybe.

 

What I will be dealing with once again are a bunch of Megalomaniacs who feel it is their right and destiny to control the so called ignorant masses as they feel their station and enlightenment grants that they be allowed to stand upon the backs of many so that these few can be lifted high.

That is until they have to deal with me for a while as I will do a few tricks like Physically push, shove and even to a point...slowly but firmly PUNCH such self anointed ASS%@#$! back into their chairs if they attempt to leave the talks.

You should SEE the looks upon their faces as they come to understand I really don't care if they live or die! LOL!

AboveAlpha

 

Well why did they allow Morsi to simmer as leader so long and bring Egypt to this dangerous point.

 

....Uh....we did not "Allow" anything, as this would indicate the United States got to choose who ran Egypt. It may be you have a somewhat exaggerated view of American power in the Middle East.

 

Morsi was a freely elected Leader of Egypt. There is ZERO chance the United States would attempt anything to remove him.

In the big picture...Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhoods failure will have large and long term effects upon the entire Middle East.

AboveAlpha

 

No, so by all means please explain the reference.

 

THE COUP IS NOW UNDER WAY

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...-president-say-military-coup-is-underway?lite

There are multiple reports of tanks and APCs in the streets of Cairo, the big Muslim Brotherhood counterdemonstration has apparently been cordoned off by the military, there has been an announcement that Morsi is no longer in a position of decision-making and apparently a travel ban has been issued against Morsi by the military.

I don't think this qualifies as a second revolution, but as a coup with both secular democrats and old-time Mubarak types supporting it. What really made it possible was Morsi's high-handed tactics and his failure to turn the economy around. The big question now is whether Morsi will be grabbed by the military or not and how the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists (who have been strangely silent) will react.

 

J. Christopher Stevens was a famous EVE online player , a diplomat by the name " vile rat" , his last comments were made in game as far as i know.

 

I tend to agree. The US has a history of operating clandestinely to engineer coups. But it's simply inconceivable that this is the situation in this case - the millions of people lining the streets of Cairo are a testament to the fact that this is a genuine bottom-up revolution.

 

You mean top-down.
The ARMY leaders took thew control back after the brothers had it for a year.

People tend to forget that for the last 60 years the ARMY ruled Egypt.
Now, after one year, it gained the power back.

Counter-revolution at its best.

 

Yes, sadly counter revolution will be the eventual outcome. Moon made an excellent analysis hinting at this very point on a related thread. What I was trying to say is that the genuine revolutionary spirit of the people on the streets is real in that they insist that their demands which Morsy failed to deliver on be followed through to their conclusion. However Morsy's failure to deliver will now open up a space for further US meddling which will result in the worst of all outcomes. I think there will be civil war in Egypt.

 

The MB will oppose who ever takes the presidency that should go without saying, they were revolted out so given the chance they will see it most legit to revolt the next president as well, if that's understood from start then the US will be just an excuse, I dont see Obama wanting to do with anything in the ME for the rest of his political life.

 

regional countries all upside down switching allegiances

 

no there will be no civil war in Egypt
if the country can feed the poor instead of the ikhwan doing it
the ikhwan support is from the poor and villages and upper Egyptians who moved to Cairo to survive under Mubarak policies which starved them

Egypt just reset the button on what is Islam? and what kind of Islam we want? and what kind of country we want?

Our biggest challenge is securing Sinai now and stopping Salafists taking control and that means full control of our country and borders which Israel and USA prevents.

 

But the MB were voted IN to power prior to being removed. As far as the Egyptian people are concerned, then, the problem is not with the MB and their programme per se - the mandate of which they were democratically voted in to power to adhere to - but rather, the incompetence of Morsi.

The deposing of Morsi is indicative of the Egyptian peoples' frustration at the lack of the completion of the MBs democratic mandate. Although Morsi was elected democratically, he didn't behave in a democratic fashion. In other words, democracy in terms of form, is meaningless unless it is affectively realized in terms of outcome. Crucially, Morsi failed with respect to the latter.

This is why millions of people took to the streets of Cairo insisting that he go. The sight of millions of Egyptian people on the streets of Cairo is not merely indicative of the flaws of Egyptian democracy, but of the concept of Western liberal democracy in general. This ought to be a wake up call to people in my country to get up off their arm chairs on to the streets and demand the overthrow of Cameron.

 

Good luck with that Abu. I hope you are right.

 

Lost your master yet again ?
You don't know who the new master will be ?
Easy way out is to curse Israel and the US.
You wont offend any future master....

 

No, it was not the Amb - it was the poor computer guy who was there TDY who was the online player

 

You'll like this http://directorblue.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/15-photos-from-tahrir-square-protests.html

 

Let's make one thing clear.

There will be no civil war in Egypt because the Egyptian Military Liaison to CENTCOM has been told that if the Egyptian Military want to keep getting U.S. Aid it will return power to the Civilian Population for New Elections within the year.

As well the Egyptian Military will not be allowed to engage in any reprisals against the Muslim Brotherhood but it can act as a Security Force should the Brotherhood engage in any reprisals of it's own.

Egypt has a LOT of growing up to do. Granted the Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhoods agenda which caused issues in the Sinai as the Brotherhood destroyed what was once a thriving tourist area as well as Morsi allowing the Brotherhood to control TV and Radio as the Brotherhood pushed it's Radical Islam Agenda and also the skirmishes occurring in the Siani border with Israel...are all Morsi and Brotherhood created problems which are neither in the best interest of Egypt or the United States.

The Egyptian Military WILL HEED CENTCOM'S warning as Egypt cannot afford to loose U.S. Aid which not only supports and supplies the Egyptian Military but as well is responsible for providing Food and Medicine for many Egyptians who would not be able to survive without.

You can try to tell me and others that Egypt does not need the United States and is capable of taking care of itself but as much as both you and I and the United States wish this were true....IT IS NOT.

Egypt is a LONG WAY from being able to stand on it's own and without the massive influx of American Aid as will as the United States Military's Central Command....CENTCOM....Egypt would now be spiraling into a Civil War.

About CENTCOM
About U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM)
U.S.Central Command (CENTCOM) is one of 9 combatant commands in the United States military. Six of these commands, including CENTCOM, have an area of responsibility (AOR), a specific geographic region of the world where the combatant commanders may plan and conduct operations as defined under the Unified Command Plan.


Located between the European and Pacific combatant commands, U.S. Central Command’s area of responsibility covers the "central" area of the globe and consists of 20 countries -- Afghanistan, Bahrain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, and Yemen.


Mission:
With national and international partners, U.S. Central Command promotes cooperation among nations, responds to crises, and deters or defeats state and nonstate aggression, and supports development and, when necessary, reconstruction in order to establish the conditions for regional security, stability, and prosperity.

Leadership:
General Lloyd J. Austin III, Commander
Vice Admiral Robert S. Harward, Deputy Commander
Major General Karl R. Horst, Chief of Staff
Command Sergeant Major Frank A. Grippe

http://www.centcom.mil/images/stories/unified-command_world-map-small.jpg

AboveAlpha

 

Most chances, there will be civil war in Egypt !!
The bad guys will kill the worse guys.
It took 85 years to the Muslim brotherhood kalbs to gain power and take control over Egypt, they will not give up that easy.
They will attack & attack until they'll return to lead Egypt.

 

MB #2 said in the rally today that they will contiue rioting untill they will carry Mursi on their shoulders back to the Palace so at least in their eyes Mursi=MB probebly the way he ran the country too, frankly I dont see any way Mursi could have fixed the economy in one year , I never heard of a ruined economy back on its feet in one year, forget the Robin Hood statements the MB gave before the elections that was BS as we all know, they kept away from the west and its "corruptive" money so whatever they had in mind would have take time,

Now you have Jihad bombing Egypt from Sinai and MB rioting inside the cities, what option does the army have but call martial law and postpone elections if not fixing it ? and that's the good scenario, I dont see that as a good example for anything actually.

 

I see parallels here with what's happening in Turkey. Here we have two democratically elected politicians, one of whom was deposed and the other who is under threat of being deposed. In both scenarios there appears to be a hardcore undercurrent of Kemalist fascists on the one hand, and Islamist fundamentalists on the other, who seem to be playing a critical role in these movements - less so in Egypt.

 

That sounds horribly convincing