Electric vehicle battery factory will require so much energy it needs a coal plant to power it!

Electric vehicle battery factory will require so much energy it needs a coal plant to power it!

Electric vehicle battery factory breathes new life into coal plant - TheBlaze, Paul Sacca, October 01, 2023

A new electric vehicle battery factory in Kansas will require so much energy that a coal plant that was slated for closure will now not only remain open, but will be expanded. Panasonic is building a $4 billion battery factory for Electric Vehicles in De Soto, Kansas.

This is yet another example of the stupidity going on with electric vehicle policy pushed by government.

 

Republicans want to kill coal jobs

 

There is currently not a single form of "clean, renewable energy" that can be manufactured or maintained without using coal, petroleum, or it's byproducts. Not one......

 

The inane comments you make are just preposterous. It's not even worth addressing since it would derail the discussion of this thread.
You have a pattern of doing this towards the first page of threads, making one wonder if you do this intentionally.

Tell us, FreshAir, what are your thoughts about this story?

 

my thoughts were that seems republicans are upset this plant will save coal jobs

 

agree, an EV just means the car can run on any energy source, it's not restricted to just oil, energy diversity

 

Democrats want to kill minority babies. You know what the difference between these two statements is? One of them is true.....

 

this EV Battery plant saved coal jobs? why upset?

 

that is republicans, but way off-topic, so won't go there

 

LOL... A tough pill to swallow huh... And back to the topic, it sure seems like the big lie democrats tell themselves is sustainable energy doesn't require actual fossil fuels... A huge lie at best.

 

nope, we tell ourselves this is a transition, it allows a car to run on any energy form, energy diversity

if oil was scares in the future, we could use any of the other forms of energy to power society - are you against energy diversity?

I won't be an early adopter, you may not either, but glad we have them - we had early adopters to ICE too once

 

Interestingly, Gov doesn't need to push people to buy electric vehicles, lmao.

 

The funny thing is the assumption that oil would ever be scarce.. But diversity doesn't trump availability and affordability. We have to make energy cheap and affordable to all. Otherwise elitists will continue to try to consolidate power to themselves. So far options that aren't oil are diriculously expensive and fraught with fragility.

 

Then why do governments push the regulatory burden to do exactly that?

 

yeah, there would never be supply issues or anything to worry about - we can put all our eggs in one basket, never be an issue

 

They probably don't need to now.

 

It seems the Progressive Democrats currently in power still have not gotten the memo, then.
They're still passing all sorts of laws and implementing policies to try to push and coerce consumer choice. In California, for example, those who buy regular cars end up having to foot the bill for those who buy electric cars, since the car dealers have to raise prices to comply with a state mandate that tells them what percentage of each they have to sell.
Or maybe people like you don't realize what Democrats have been doing and are planning to do.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not assume you are playing dumb and ignorant, like so many others in this forum seem to do.

 

Got a link that explains this a bit better with evidence?

 

Do a Google search "California mandate dealer electric car". You should find plenty of information.

 

Your hyperbole aside, you cannot hide the facts from folks. Tell us when your diversity bucket can be self sustaining. What date should we mark down on the calendar for your guess?

 

You don't seem to be very aware of the current ownership experience. I'm a former owner. If it had worked out, I would still be an owner. The sad part of this conversation is that ostensibly, your only exposure is what you've been told to think vs actual real world experience.

And if governments didn't mandate them, do you actually companies would be throwing billions away on it today?

 

This kind of reminds me of the corn ethanol fuel fiasco. Beginning in 2010, several states passed mandates requiring gasoline to be composed of 10% ethanol, allegedly to help the environment and lead to a more sustainable fuel source. The problem was, they found out it took almost as much diesel fuel for the tractors to harvest the corn being used to make the ethanol as the amount of ethanol that was actually produced.
Even after that was found out, these states have still not undone their policy.

 

I did and found nothing that applies for 2023...I guess that's why you passed the buck.

 

I don't know what the first paragraph means.

Regarding the second paragraph Elon didn't need a government mandate to start the company.

 

"Notably, the auto company [Elon's company Tesla] received a $465 million preferential loan from the US Department of Energy in 2010, which it paid off in 2013. Through 2020, the company benefited significantly from tax credits given to consumers who buy electric cars, which have reduced the cost [price to the consumer] of Tesla vehicles by $4,000 to $7,500. One attempt to track all these subsidies, including state and local incentives to support manufacturing facilities, estimates the total benefits at nearly $3 billion."
Elon Musk's SpaceX, Tesla get more government funding than NPR (qz.com)

"The Palo Alto company [Tesla] has also collected more than $517 million from competing automakers by selling environmental credits. In a regulatory system pioneered by California and adopted by nine other states, automakers must buy the credits if they fail to sell enough zero-emissions cars to meet mandates. The tally also includes some federal environmental credits."
Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com), Jerry Hirsch, May 30, 2015