Elon Musk's opinion on why we have the open border.

I stand corrected. It's well and truly flipped now.

 

chill dude, it was part of the conversations, get a grip, don't reply if you don't want to discuss it

 

Ok, so you are arguing its not just Latinos, but everyone who will somehow decide to vote Democrat. That doesn't improve the claim in any way, shape, or form. The truth is that vast majority ARE Latinos, and they don't all vote Dem. As a matter of fact they don't have a vote at all. Its an old talking point, since we have been hearing it for decades, and now Musk is repeating it.

 

The overwhelming vast majority of illegals/asylum seekers will be living in poverty. The overwhelming majority of those living in poverty vote Democrat.

This is not that complicated of a calculation. There are always plenty of exceptions, but in the aggregate, this principle undeniably holds true.

 

Newsflash: illegals/asylum don't get to vote at all. Cubans were fast tracked to citizenship, and they voted Republican.

I showed you you the stats, so there is your version, and then there is the truth.

 

I have highlighted everything from your post that is absolute Biblical truth.

Do the church truly practice what they believe or knew to be Biblical Truth?

If today’s church truly believes that church is the “body of Christ” then you don’t need to elect Republicans/ conservative to defend the “ freedom of religion” from liberals. Jesus Christ alone can defend his bride. No elected official needed to protect His bride.

If churches truly believe Christ is in control then Christians don’t need to elect conservatives to save the unborn baby. Going on their knees and asking Christ to save unborn would be enough. Preaching the gospel would be enough. Bringing people to Christ would be enough. Evangelicals don’t need to compromise their value to elect conservative to save unborn.

If Christians truly believes Christ is the head of the church and trusting in Christ is enough, then church elder wouldn’t be running around the church with handgun during Sunday morning service to protect congregation. Trusting Christ would have been enough to protect believer. 85% Churches in America today have church security with guns during service.

If Christians in America today believe “ Jesus doesn’t see skin color” then you wouldn’t be so eager to deport millions and millions poor, undocumented immigrants back to their country. If you truly believe the teaching of Christ, then you would say, "Let's feed the poor, let's feed the hungry, give water to thirsty, let's take care of the foreigner". But no , you can’t wait to elect someone who will deport millions and millions family back to their country just because they don’t have f**ing piece of paper.

 

You showed me what stats? Huh? Only a small fraction of Latinos are recent immigrants. The topic is recent illegal immigrants/asylum seekers, not whether someone is of latino descent. There is a highly relevant nuance there that you are purposefully ignoring. Being of Latino descent in no way makes someone directly analogous to an illegal that happens to be Latino.

At any rate...They ( illegals and asylum seekers) dont get to vote, but the premise behind this concept is that the Democrats are playing the long game knowing full well that these people are going to eventually be able to vote because they will never be deported, and as we all know, Democrats have been pushing hard to give these people a path to citizenship. I responded to YOU discussing their voting patterns with another poster. Just because I made an unassailable point on that topic does not mean that we all of a sudden switch from discussing voting patterns.

Demographically, the overwhelming majority will live in poverty, and demographically, the overwhelming majority of those living in poverty would be logically assumed to vote Democrat. There is nothing there to legitimately argue.

 

When Trump came to office there were 11 million undocumented immigrants in USA. During 2015-2016 campaign trump said he will deport all of them. but he didn’t.

Now Trump again saying he will deport all undocumented. I 100% disagree with him. But you can believe as much as you want that Trump will deport undocumented if he is POTUS again.

 

THEY DO NOT VOTE.

I'd like to see some facts, because I am literally surrounded by Latinos from Cuba and elsewhere, and while many are uneducated, they actually believe in hard work and in God, and nor do they vote overwhelmingly Dem.

Of course not. And why would he do it now, when he doesn't have another race to win anymore.

 

Those from Cuba that fled far leftist Communism, especially now that most are several generations removed from Cuba living in Florida and doing far better financially then new illegals, without question have shown themselves to be far more likely than their newly arrived illegal counterparts from Mexico and Latin America, to have a Conservative bent to their politics. It is a more even distribution amongst those folks, and that distribution is STILL determined by their income.

Again, you are focusing upon the wrong thing. It is not having Latino blood that determines voting patterns, it is income. New illegals/ asylum seekers, from an income standpoint alone, are OVERWHELMINGLY likely to vote Democrat. You could argue that maybe their children will be better off financially and thus more likely to vote Republican, but even in that instance, they would have still come from a Democrat family which is another determinant of voting patterns. There is no way to argue that new illegals/asylum seekers from Mexico and Latin America will be anything other than a strong net positive for Democrats when they finally get these people their path to citizenship that is sought so vociferously from the Democrat party.

If you honestly believe that Democrats push so hard for a path to citizenship for any reason other than their perceived win demographically, I have a bridge id like to sell you.

 

You keep repeating it, but it doesn't make it any more true. Its a myth.

 

What I am saying is inarguably true.

Your denial does nothing, other than to allow me to reiterate my correct point which is that these illegal/asylum seekers when/if given the opportunity to vote, will be a HUGE net win for Democrats. It is their income, not whether Latino blood exists that makes this determination.

 

NEWSFLASH
They are allowed to vote locally in many places. How long do you think before that is expanded? I think its rude to try and gaslight and patronize people. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING. stop pretending

 

You are wrong on so may counts.
On the one hand, Christianity recognizes we are commanded to do the work of Jesus in this world. We are his hands and feet. Government is an institution ofman installed by God to protect His people from the "evil one". If we are doing our job, He will do that. We do more in our nation to take care of foreigners' than any other nation.

So, endeavor, do you live in a city? Do you lock your doors at night? Do you lock your car when parked in a new area? Why do you do that? Don't you realize there are other people that might want access? Our politicians that desire open borders are the same ones that have body guards follow them around armed to the hilt. Are you able to see the hypocrisy here? Jesus said that before he ascended into heaven we were to buy a script and a sword. We need to protect our innocents from the evil one. Does it offend you that we might take out an intruder to a church service intent on killing worshippers?

As to skin color.... what about the illegal aliens that come into our country whose skin color is white? I want them deported. Do you hate them? After all they are white. Maybe you should take up golf. Hitting something white with a club may be right up your alley!

 

If they can get a sex change in Kalifornia and have tax payers pay for it.....voting is on the way!

 

Project some? Not everyone is interested in sex changes.

 

Also included in that calculation is the fact all of them will be living on American entitlements. To secure your entitlements you must always vote Democrat. That is precisely how they secured the "black" vote for so many years. Now they are beginning to lose that so they import others for their "Government Plantation!"

 

That was just the worst example. They get free transportation, free schooling, spending money, free phones, free healthcare, cashless bail and much much more. End of projection!

 

Here's an easy one. Do the undocumented have Constitutional rights once they've entered the US and if so would you take them away?

You mean there is an adult in the room?

The border has always been porous and that is the way business likes it. They have fought against E Verify and legislation because they like low paid workers without rights. That set up the coyote business model that is currently booming because of drug cartels, economic crises, political persecution....Yeah, too many people, the border is overwhelmed, but saying there is an "open border" is and has been right-wing propaganda. "Crisis at the border" would be more accurate

Musk must have been high when he got on board with this conspiracy theory. The right is famously xenophobic, as demonstrated here, so what do we need? Stronger legislation, which the right-wing Republicans are currently against, bowing to the orange sociopath. We also need to help the problem countries whose people are leaving. Setting up places to plead asylum outside the country before entering the country.

 

Yeah that makes sense, because all Hispanics vote the same.

 

Well you've already achieved that, so...congratulations?

 

It was not a part of the "conversations."

 

sure it was

 

No wonder God has left American churches, American churches teaches “ government to protect God’s people from evil one”. They replaced God with government.

Before Jesus died, he prayed to his father and said this.

JOHN 17:14 “I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

JOHN 17:15 “I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.

JOHN 17:16 “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Jesus asked God to protect his disciples. No where in NT Jesus or any other author ever suggested government of this world will protect his people. As a matter of fact in verse 14 Jesus tell God that the world will hate his believer.

I like when Christian quote Luke 22:36 to support 2nd amendment or having Gun. Do you know the Greek word used in verse 36 for sword? The Greek word used is “μάχαιρα” which is a traditional kitchen knife in Greek culture. Not the two-edged sword Romans used for warfare.

Off course it would sadden anyone to see news that some crazy guy went to church and killed 15 believers while they were worshipping God the father. But what is the difference now and in 1st century when Christians were gathered in the church and Romans came and thrown them in pit of fire or Infront hungry lions to entertain crowed? I don’t see Peter telling Christians to buy sword and guard churches, I didn’t read any where Paul telling church of Corinth, or Church of Ephesus to put together strong young men to protect believers from “evil one”.

So you want to deport hungry, poor undocumented immigrant regardless of their skin color. And that makes you better Christian? Jesus really don’t care what color you or I am , but he says “For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me”. Apparently these verses only apply to American Christians as long as someone has “ US Citizenship”.

 

This is as true as the theory that Trump supporters want to replace US Democracy with dictatorship.
Musk is excellent businessmen - I remember how not so long ago he attacked Soros for selling Tesla shares hoping it will scare other sellers - today we see Soros was right, but for sure nobody trusted Soros then. The same with his announcement of accepting bitcoins and Dogecoin and later denying - millions of dollars changed hands! Genius!
My conspiracy theory - someone promised Musk something to do it.