Elon Musk's opinion on why we have the open border.

We don't have an "open border." Moderates I know want something done about the border. Some leftwingers don't, of course, and they're holding Biden's feet to the fire.

Lots don't, too. We want something done. Most folks I know think the border has metastasized into a serious problem.

"Ruse?" About what?

You're getting propagandized--either that, or Musk is naĩve. The idea pols think ahead far enough to let in a bunch of illegals because they might vote for their party is wooly thinking.

 

Your first comment "we don't have an open border" absolutely discredits all the mumbo jumbo you have to say.

 

Musk didn't come up with this....many of us already knew it to be fact. Musk has always been politically a neutral, highly intelligent and successful entrepreneur. That is why he makes an excellent objective spokesperson to those who are not 100% brainwashed by left wing media and the "globalist political machine."

 

That is laughable. So......the disciples were to sell their cloak and buy a "table knife"! What was the "table knife for?" If you read on, in the Garden, when Jesus was arrested....Luke 22 :49 When Jesus followers saw what was going to happen they said "Lord should we strike with our "table knives"? After that Peter struck a servant of the High Priest and cut off his ear with one of your "table knives".

Since you seem to have your Bible out, I would exhort you to read 1 Peter 2:13-17 to familiarize the role of government to those who want to live as "free men".

No, you recognize someone and know something about them before they enter your house. That is a very simple precept you might understand. Our government has established rules to make sure that happens. Again, you need to understand the role of government for those who want to live as "free men".

 

They are felons when they enter our borders illegally and they have a right to a fair trial but that is about it. Admittedly they do have rights of safety while they are in jail awaiting that trial.

Another thing, Edna, may I assume you are well left of center and believe strongly in our socialist entitlements? If so, how do you contend Americans will be able to support the illegal entry of all comers from around the world with access to our entitlements? It's fun to play with other peoples money, I know, but when your runs out, it's no fun anymore!

 

I am sorry the Greek word for sword doesn’t fit your narrative. Did you read the next verse after Peter cut off the ears with table knife? What did Jesus do? May be you should read sometimes. Jesus healed the servant and told Peter to put down his table knife.

But off course you didn’t read rest of the verse , because if you do read then “turning the other cheek, love your enemy, pray for your enemy” all those liberal view you have to understand.

Yea I read Peter 2, it’s about "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's" . Respecting the authority and obey them, pray for the government and her leader, like all the evangelical churches pray for Joe Biden .

There is no role of government in “Kingdom of haven” . But you keep replacing God with the earthly government. But it is nothing new, Israelites replaced the protection of God with a King. Those who rebel against God, they make the same mistake again and again. They worship the calf, they worship the government, they find false protection in guns and laws.

Now I see how easy for you to ignore the poor, helpless undocumented immigrants because oh my goodness they broke the law of the government you think will protect you.

 

That is correct but if you read on you will discern that Jesus had a mission to fulfill. Peter was in the way. Besides, why would you have to defend yourself when God is with you in the flesh? Precisely why Jesus instructed his disciples that when he ascended and was no longer with them they would need to sell their cloak and buy a sword (or table knife as you want to portray it)

You have already proven you use scripture to suit your narrative. I believe in the Kingdom of Heaven. It is in the hearts of "believers". We are not of this world, but we are to occupy until Jesus returns.

Now I love to talk about the Word of God, but we have departed from this thread and I wish to return. Let's stay on topic.

 

The hell it is. This is an open border...


Border France and Germany

This is the border with Canada.


Canada-USA border, Blaine, WA

Can we imagine what would happen if this was an open border...?


USA-Mexico Border

We should not allow asylum seekers entry from Canada or Mexico. Period.

 

IT’S A VERY BAD BILL. LET’S HOPE IT IS INDEED DOA: “The Border Never Closes:” Democrat Senator Chris Murphy Admits The Border “Deal,” Which Biden Claims Authorizes Him to Close the Border, Will Never, Ever Close the Border.

'Non-adversarial proceedings = no one checking the illegals' fake claims of political persecution which makes them eligible for asylum.'

'these illegal aliens make no claims of political persecution when en route to the US. They all admit they're crossing the border for economic reasons. It's only when they get to the border and are given a guide to defrauding the US government and its citizens by leftwing Soros-funded NGOs that they discover they're supposed to lie and claim they're seeking political asylum.'

'A slightly higher asylum screening standard at the border. "Slightly." LOL. Also, no more waiting for work permits. Most asylum seekers can work immediately. So there's even more incentive to illegally cross the border and make false political asylum claims'

'A brand new right to legal representation for all immigrants. Remember when Trump denied lawyers to victims of the Muslim ban? Never again. Perfect! No one can be denied entry again -- and if we do deny a terrorist entry, we have to pay for their lawyer to fight the denial. And...the first ever government paid-for lawyers for young unaccompanied minors. A long standing injustice righted.'

'Boy this "deal" sure seems awfully stacked on the "benefits for illegals" side of the "deal." Here's "the border never closes" line: He makes it clear that even when illegals exceed 5,000 per day (or 150,000 per 30-day month, 20,000 higher than the absolute peak monthly illegal immigration under Trump), the border is not closed. Illegals are just processed at official ports of entry rather than ad hoc at the border.'

'A requirement the President to funnel asylum claims to the land ports of entry when more than 5,000 people cross a day. The border never closes, but claims must be processed at the ports. It's not even closing the border, as Biden has repeatedly claimed it was -- it's just "funneling" the illegals to official points of entry, where the law already requires aliens to enter through. Now Murphy admits that this power merely to "funnel" illegals to ports of entry is only usable a "limited number of days per year." This allows for a more a more orderly, humane asylum processing system.'

'But...important checks on that power. It can only be used for a limited number of days per year. It sunsets in 3 years. Emergency cases that show up in between the ports still need to be accepted. The ports must process a minimum of 1400 claims a day.'

'Even when Biden "closes the border," which Murphy admits never happens, but instead just results in claims being processed at ports of entry, exceptions are still made for "emergency cases!" And all of these people are already lying about being political asylum seekers! But they'll never be coached into also claiming "emergency" status, huh?'

 

Your pictures are pretty, but those are all ports of entry. The lines are there because screening is done. Many of those cars will be refused. Of course we coulld dazzle you with pictures by the thousands of those coming through non=ports of entry. There is no point made here!

 

Yes I believe in the necessity of entitlements and those here illegally are not and have not been entitled to them. The US should have stronger border laws that the business community has fought against for years. Asylum regulations need to be clarified and asylum application should be made available outside the country. We could also, in our best interest, help the countries whose citizens are leaving.

 

You should research that comment more effectively. Sanctuary cities are doling out housing and food to illegals. New York is giving them $5,000 gift cards (wouldn't you like one of those?) Kalifornia they get everything a citizen gets and more! Only thing is.....they haven't paid in one thin dime. Is the goal to get these people on the Democrat plantation?.....especially since the black community is weening off of it gradually and experiencing freedom??

 

You're gaslighting us.

If we actually had open borders, the problem would be far worse than it is already.

As I said--and you deliberately ignored--we should not allow asylum from Mexico or Canada.

 

You mention the term open border as if it is true despite Border Patrols, immigration offices, DEA, inspections at legal crossings, a visa system, documents inspections, asylum protections, aerial surveillance, constant monitoring of common border crossing sites...not to mention arrests and deportations....so other than all of this, you still claim it is open? How can it be open when all of this is in place to attempt to restrict illegal crossings

 

Do you mean asylum seekers?

 

Oh, are those federal entitlements? It never ceases to amaze me how those who claim to be Christians can deny people food and shelter in an emergency.

Speaking of researching comments you should not be spreading right-wing lies about what the immigrants are receiving.

The strong bipartisan immigration bill that would allow Biden to close the border is dead in the water because Trump doesn't want to give Biden a win and MAGA house members agree. MAGA people don't care what is best for the US.

 

The pictures were in reply to a claim we have "open borders." We don't have open borders, that's absurd, and if we did an already difficult problem would be far, far worse.

 

The term "open order" is a fair description. Did you know that illegal immigration provides cartels with a steady source of income that allows them to strengthen their grip on the poor people back home? They are growing bigger and more powerful every day. Their industry is thriving. (Human trafficking, sex tourism, extortion, drugs, guns, forced servitude, child exploitation, etc.)

While neither party cares about these people, Dems go the extra mile and incentivize illegal immigration with free healthcare and sanctuary cities. These facts mean that Dems cannot make an honest case that their immigration policies are from a position of concern for humanity.

 

Except for the first picture of the truly "open border" between Germany and France.

Some will be refused, but the point is that the border is porous, not "open."

if no one stops people at the non-entry points, why would you bother waiting in a line, sometimes for hours, at a border checkpoint?

Yes, there is no point in trying to pretend there is an "open border."

Did you notice where I said there should be no asylum from Mexico? Mexicans let them into their country, so let the Mexicans deal with these people.

 

No, it isn't.

All your verbiage doesn't establish that we have an "open border."

Don't allow any asylum from Mexico. We should be trying to catch the people trying to cross the border, and as soon as we catch them they should go back. Right then, on the spot.

 

Granted, the business community wants open borders, but do you think they are the ones setting the agenda in the Biden administration? Don't you think there are other factions besides the business community who want open borders?

 

"Nuh uh" is not a valid argument. The same way an open valve allows flow, our border allows the flow of illegal immigrants. We absolutely have an open border even though many would like to use a different term for it.

 

Then what do you think the Border Patrol is doing? They just drive around with big picnic baskets and take them home for briscitt?

 

Exactly! Precisely why our border is open!

 

These are emergencies self- created by those that violate our law. Giving them food, shelter , and yes transportation and spending money encourages more to violate our law. Please don't equate this with your hate for Christians.

A bill that allows in 5000 a day in with plenty of outs to keep the border the same. You accuse me of lying about benefits illegals are getting. Any one who follows news knows they are. However, your quote above is the greatest recent absolute Marxist lie. Knowledgeable people know the border was fixed when Biden took office. He opened it by around 90 executive actions. There are laws on the books where the President can seal the border off anytime. Instead he encourages the violation. The sad part is, this political ruse of a bill is confused with aid to enforce the borders of Israel and Ukraine as well as protecting Taiwan. They should be separate votes. Republicans see that we need to protect our own border first and foremost. Biden will not do it AND he doesn't need more money to actually do it.