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English 101 for anti 2nd amendment advocates and those who don’t think it’s absolute

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Joe knows, Dec 17, 2022.

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    nuclear weapons are not arms within the meaning of the second amendment for many reasons
     
    Turtledude, Dec 20, 2022
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  2. Rucker61

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    If they could get one, sure. If you had a car you could run every red light in your town. Only the car ownership would actually be legal, though.
     
    Rucker61, Dec 20, 2022
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  3. dairyair

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    Magazines, ammo, etc are also ordnance. No problem then with infringing on ordnance?
     
    dairyair, Dec 20, 2022
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Tell that to the one who used nuclear weapons to rob a bank.
     
    dairyair, Dec 20, 2022
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  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    where do you come up with such an idiotic claim.
     
    Turtledude, Dec 20, 2022
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  6. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    You seem completely ignorant of the term of The 2A, Shall Not Be Infringed.
    Regardless of any argument you want to make to allow infringement.
     
    dairyair, Dec 20, 2022
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    another completely inane argument. no one has ever used nuclear weapons to rob a bank/ You might do some studying about what is the natural right upon which the second amendment is based upon. and from that you will learn that nuclear weapons have no use for individual self defense
     
    Turtledude, Dec 20, 2022
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    ah this dishonest garbage again. You support banning all sorts of firearms and pretend that is no different than saying the second does not protect nukes. a completely dishonest argument
     
    Turtledude, Dec 20, 2022
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  9. dairyair

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    What claim is that?
    About ammo being ordnance? Why do you claim that is idiotic? Do you not know what ordnance is. That seems idiotic, does it not?

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    ordnance
    noun
    ord·nance ˈȯrd-nən(t)s


    1
    a
    : military supplies including weapons, ammunition, combat vehicles, and maintenance tools and equipment

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ordnance
     
    dairyair, Dec 20, 2022
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  10. Turtledude

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    oh btw you must be talking about incorporation since you silly argument -at the federal level-demonstrates you don't understand the tenth amendment
     
    Turtledude, Dec 20, 2022
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you are not using the 18th century meaning. try again
     
    Turtledude, Dec 20, 2022
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    Again, bring it up to the one who brought it into the thread. I merely responded to it. And asked a question related to that post.
    You might want to actually know what has been posted in the thread before making inane responses.
     
    dairyair, Dec 20, 2022
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  13. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    well your comment about the tenth and the second demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of constitutional law and constitutional theory
     
    Turtledude, Dec 20, 2022
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    Why do you believe that magazines and ammo in common use for lawful purposes are ordnance under the law?
     
    Rucker61, Dec 20, 2022
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    TOG 6 said: ↑
    Do you believe there is a 2nd Amendment right to use a nuclear weapon to rob a bank?

    Not any argument I'm making.
     
    dairyair, Dec 20, 2022
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    ordnance
    noun
    ord·nance ˈȯrd-nən(t)s

    1
    a
    : military supplies including weapons, ammunition, combat vehicles, and maintenance tools and equipment
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ordnance

    ...
    Does the law use different definitions than dictionary definitions?
     
    dairyair, Dec 20, 2022
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    what do you think the term "arms" means in terms of the second?
    what weapons and accessories are protected against federal interference by the second?
     
    Turtledude, Dec 20, 2022
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    The second amendment mentions common uses?
     
    Joe knows, Dec 21, 2022
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    Rucker (as do I) is well versed in the supreme court case law and this is a key point in Heller
     
    Turtledude, Dec 21, 2022
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  20. Rucker61

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    That's the question to be asking. Do laws commonly have links to an online dictionary, or do they have a definition created by the law's writers?

    Compare your dictionary definition of "assault weapon" to the definition included in S.736.
     
    Rucker61, Dec 21, 2022
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    The Second Amendment neither defines the right nor limits the right protected by the Second Amendment. It limits government power to infringe the right, like the rest of the Bill of Rights.
     
    Rucker61, Dec 21, 2022
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    :lol: :lol: :lol:
    OK, Scotsman.
     
    TOG 6, Dec 21, 2022
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    You choose to be wrong.
     
    TOG 6, Dec 21, 2022
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    You choose to be wrong.
     
    TOG 6, Dec 21, 2022
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    The USSC says he's wrong.
     
    TOG 6, Dec 21, 2022
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