EU to slap sanctions on Poland?

Then you know nothing of either. You might want to get some history books that aren't censured.
Poland is breaking the rules they signed up for. Some parties do not like the rules and conventions they are forced to follow in the EU.
Just because people vote for a party that is willing to ignore some European laws does not make it anti-democratic. It means you are following the rule of law.
The EU these days is as much a guarantee against the encroaching powers of national governments as they protect human and workers rights.

Poland is in direct violation of EU laws and you have been shown which and why. It is up to Poland whether they prefer to lose their voting rights or follow EU laws.

 

These laws protect a not*working person even more.

Especially if these "not*working person" - is an Islamist immigrant. This is an absurd..

 

Could you specifically provide what EU laws protect "not working persons"? You know... So we can have a rational discussion about it. Not that I am confident you actually know anything but some buzzwords.

Islamist immigrant aye? Yeah... I am confident you have nothing intelligent to contribute.

 

Refugees from Africa and the East has social welfare, social housing in EU. Is it a lie?

 

Yes... That is how you treat refugees. It has nothing to do with the EU really. You would have to go to the individual member state because they make those laws. Not the EU.
Do you have any knowledge about the subject? I get it... You are here not to argue politics... You are here to promote division and idiocy.

 

Then I'm sorry. I was wrong.
It is not clear why Poland refuses to accept their quota refugees. Let refugees come to Poland. Poland will not give them any housing, benefits, nothing. The refugees themselves will have refused to go to Poland.
In this case, the law of EU is not broken and the Poland will survive.........is not it?

 

The issue is not refugees. The issue is the Polish government making changes to laws about their tribunal.
You can read exactly what the issue is here;
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2015_en.htm

 

Germany going from mass murdering Polish, to now forcing Polish to accept Muslim refugees is a reason for anger.

How can a people go so quick from Nazis, to multiculturalists?

Clearly not a very rational people on the whole, if you ask me, seems like a people who are easily indoctrinated, and have great trouble thinking for themselves.

 

So, was it fair when 14 out of 15 judges in Poland were PO (Civic Platform) Liberals?

Source that shows that there's 15 tribunal judges in Poland.

http://www.politico.eu/article/poland-constituion-tribunal-democracy-kaczynski-rule-of-law-pis/

Source that shows that there were 14 tribunal judges of Liberal PO Civil Platform in Poland.

http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/feat...-right-not-fascist?page=0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,1

Is it right that Liberal PO Civil Platform elected 2 judges illegally, and 3 by a new law they put into place so they could put 3 Liberal judges into office before leaving in October to bump up the Tribunal court judges to over 90% PO Liberals?

Funny, that when PO Liberals elected 2 judges ILLEGALLY in October. the media, and the EU Liberals said next to nothing, but when the PiS Law, and Justice Conservatives came in, and balanced out the tribunal judges, then it's a problem.

 

Yeah... You seem incapable of reading unbiased news. I am sorry... I cannot fight ignorance.

The Polish government is not only violating rules. They even straight out lied to the Commission and passed a law behind their back. Just go away with your ignorance.

 

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Yeah, but 2 of those judges were elected illegally, and the other 3 were elected by a LAW that was formed by Liberal PO just before leaving.

The results are, without replacing these 5 judges, there would be 14 PO Liberal judges, out of 15 tribunal judges.

 

You keep repeating the same lines. You have been shown the timeline and issues the EU has identified.
They are breaking EU laws and nothing in the behaviour of the current government is ok.
You are defending liars and people willing to change their fundamental laws despite not being allowed too.

It is quite clear that you have somehow created some liberal vs conservative issue here because as an American you think there are always two sides to any argument. Let's call it a defect of your media.

This is simple. The current Polish government is trying to change rules within Poland to favour themselves. They were warned that they could not do so without the approval of the EU. They decided to do so anyway before getting the approval.
Like most nationalists and idiots they have no regard for the laws when the laws stop them from pursuing their goals. Unfortunately for them the EU was set up to prevent that kind of thing.
Now please go away with your limited mental capacities that can only make you see issues in left/right.

 

Sure … when you are demanding money from Brussel, you have to give things too or do you think it is a one way ticket into Poland?

And the evil German who mass murdered Polish people is in meantime lame man … very lame! I will not come with all the Polish crimes done like Pogroms against Jews at time when no German invaded Poland etc. … because no one with some brain will do or even deny the evil German crimes etc., but of this generation which did it, are not much still alive … in Germany and in Poland.

And personally these words bounce off from me like dirt on Teflon. Aside fact that my wife is Polish and we are married since 12 years etc., one of my 2 grandfathers fought as German in French Foreign Legion against Germans in North Africa and Italy and this was reason why several members of his family went into concentration camps where some were killed by Nazis.

Because we learned out of our evil history and set the necessary changes for it in society!
Other have still rests of racism in their society!

 

You mean like how Liberal Polish PO (Civic Platform) had created a law to favor themselves before leaving which allowed them to elect 5 judges, 2 illegally who's terms had ended, and 3 by this law to favor themselves.

Which allowed Polish PO (Civic Platform) to make 14 tribunal judges of 15 tribunal judges as Polish PO Civic Platform.

Funny that the Liberal EU, and the Liberal media didn't say much about that.

Now why is that?

Because EU, and media Liberals have a bone to chew with Poland's new Conservative government, because they are Conservative.

 

The only dishonesty I see are the Liberals in the media, and EU, who have COMPLETELY IGNORED what happened before Polish Law, and Justice came to power.

They don't talk about how Polish Liberal Civic Platform it's self had enacted a law before leaving, which allowed them to put 5 judges into power.

How come?

 

Polish Pogroms which killed dozens, as opposed to German concentration camps which killed millions?

Hmm, interesting proposition, as if we're both equal.

 

Germans won't even exist in the future, if these patterns continue.

But, that's not bad enough, Germans want everyone to sink with them.

Disgusting, clearly a people who on the whole have great difficulty reaching moral, or rational conclusions.

The whole of Western Europe should be embarrassed of what a monstrosity they've been on the whole, both in racist imperialism genocide. and in anti-racist multicultural suicide.

 

It is explained in the documents provided from the EU. The institution you keep avoiding. There is no media here. Liberal or otherwise. You are getting it from the source itself. THE EU!

Since you seem unable to objectively approach this case I really cannot see what you are writing me for. Find some forum where people don't care about facts and you can vent all your frustration.
You are clearly unable to accept facts or not interested in them.

Let me try a last time putting it in writing;
The former Polish government nominated 5 judges before the election based upon a law passed and signed by the president. 3 of them had to be elected as their terms ended. They decided to appoint two more whose term would finish after the election.
Clearly that seems unconstitutional and it was. Those 2 extra appointments were annulled. Now what happens? Well... The Polish president refuses to swear in the 3 judges that were appointed after their previous occupants term ended. That clearly seem like a breach of the law from his side. Not only that. The new government start passing laws annulling the previous governments appointments and suddenly cutting the term from 9 to 3 years. Giving them the possibility to completely overturn the supreme court while they are in government.
That is constitutionally dangerous and the Venice Commission was asked to tule on the whole farce.
Given what I just wrote above that clearly is needed as Poland is incapable of sorting this out in a lawful way.

Here is an even more detailed report from the EU;
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-16-2017_en.htm

And here is the decision from the Venice Commission on the law of June by the previous government.

http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/?pdf=CDL-AD(2016)001-e

The one on the law changes in December by the new government has not been published yet but we know they ruled that the actions of the new government are unconstitutional.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-16-2017_en.htm

Now you will probably say the Venice Commission are liberals or some other nonsense. Because I know I just wasted close to an hour on this for your sake and you will probably just continue with the same idiocy.

 

So, you're admitting that Polish Liberal PO had done an unconstitutional act by electing 2 judges who's terms would expire?

So, how come the EU , and the media didn't go nuts when that happened in October?

Huh?

Because the EU, and the media are ridiculously Liberal, and they're just nitpicking the Polish Conservative PiS government.

How else can you explain that?

 

But, the previous Liberal PO government had enacted a law to put these 5 judges in just before leaving.

Poisoning the well for the next government?

Especially considering that before Conservative PiS came to power a staggering 14 out of 15 judges were Liberal PO, to just 1 judge being Conservative PiS.

Yes, I think the previous Polish Liberals started the whole thing, they simply created a law in their favor to allow themselves to take in so many judges.

Polish PiS Conservatives are merely standing up to such corruption.

 

The EU did. I linked to the ruling on the law change in June by the Venice Commission. So the EU did look into it when it happened in JUNE. The two extra judges were deemed unconstitutional and were not appointed.

 

The law was passed and signed. Three of the appointments were fine. The two extra not so. But that fades in comparison to what the new government has done and is doing. You were shown how they annulled the previous law and even changed the term limits. They also promised to wait for the EU to rule on the changes and instead passed them like no one would notice.

That is not how you behave under the rule of law. It seems the Poles are trying to do an Erdogan and that is not happening if they want to stay in the EU.
You are clearly to biased on the issue to see clearly.

 

Why so many insults anyways?

Objectively?

So, in a nation where 1/3rd of it's seats were won by PiS, and 1/4th won by PO, why should 14 out of 15 tribunal judges be PO, and just 1 judge be PiS?

That's Democracy?

Because that's how the tribunal court in Poland would look if PiS didn't stand up, and react to the 5 judges put into power by a law enacted by PO before leaving, but now the new law, and actions of PiS are some how unconstitutional?

WTF?

No, I don't think PO should have been able to create a law to bump up their tribunal court judges to 14 out of 15.

Do you?

 

So now you want me to explain to you why Poland has so many PO judges? I mean? Seriously?

You have been shown why the EU has entered the fray. The recent changes by the current Polish government has been deemed unconstitutional. From the law changes I read I think that is a very logical conclusion. Given their dishonesty on top of that I have no sympathy left.

You are as usual on some grand crusade to make your world view fit the facts. And to hell with the facts if they contradict your preconceived idea.
Sorry if that annoys. I have done my best to try and explain it objectively.

 

Of course the law should be annulled, it was a law created by PO in 2015, which allowed them to put in place 5 new judges, to ,make 14 out of 15 tribunal judges in Poland as PO.

No, I see clearly, the Liberals in the EU, and the media don't though, they're clearly reacting to Poland's Conservative government.