EU to slap sanctions on Poland?

The President signed the law into place. And objectively they were right to appoint the three of them since their terms had ended while they held power.
Why is it that you focus only on what the previous government did when what the new one is doing is much worse? They are trying to change the constitutional fabric by limiting the term limits so they can appoint all the judges in the next few years.
They also lied about consulting the EU as they are obliged to do. You lay all the blame on the previous government even though the new government objectively has been a lot worse.

You are obsessed with this left right thing. Amazing and boring.

 

PO in June of 2015 enacted a law which allowed them to elect those 5 judges in October of 2015, if not for that 14 out of 15 judges in Poland would be PO.

In a country which overwhelmingly voted PiS over PO, why should PiS accept 14 out of 15 judges being PO as "Democracy"?

How come the Liberal EU, and Liberal media so often ignore those facts?

Because they're obviously biased Liberals trying to fulfill the Liberal agenda.

 

Liberal EU this, Liberal media that. You are a child. Go away.

 

Duda rejected the previous law which allowed them to take over the Polish Tribunal Court.

If the previous government is allowed to create laws, why isn't the current government allowed to annul them, no?

Why should have PiS allowed 14 out of 15 Tribunal judges in Poland to be PO, when PO enacted a law to up their Tribunal judges in PO's favor in the first place?

Especially considering how PiS beat PO in the latest election.

 

Listen Polak. These are not easy or interesting matters to read about. You are asking me to read up on years of legal battles in Poland which you by the way don't actually seem interested in understanding. I linked to the legal decision by the Venice Commission. You could read it perhaps? I mean... Instead of coming here accusing everyone and everything of a leftist bias without even having spent time reading the legal decision by either the supreme court in Poland or what the EU thinks.

Do you not understand how annoying and ignorant it is of you to crash around like this accusing everyone and everything of leftist bias? You have mentioned leftist media and EU I don't know how many times.
The EU is not a media. It is a primary source. Like the legal document from the Venice Commission. It is not leftist either.

Now... You want to know the chronology? It is in the Venice Commission report. But clearly you didn't even look at it because no stinking facts are going to change your mind anyway.
You are too lazy to actually inform yourself. You are making me read boring legal work from the EU because you cry about conspiracies. And its a waste of time. You will believe leftists are evil and they are always on the other side of the issue you are supporting.

http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/?pdf=CDL-AD(2016)001-e

 

Sure … interesting that you as Polak are coming with slogans of Nazis who slaughtered so much Polish as you told before, isn't it?

Sure … with an immigration quote of all Non-Germans from the world and all religions of about 12% we will not exist in future…. A clear rational conclusion.

 

Dozens??? ...

No, I deny not a single victim of Nazi scum, nor do I want to relativize anything about German guilt, but please wake up and look on realities!

Read this here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_violence_in_Poland,_1944–46

As only one of so many examples! No, Wikipedia is of course disputed to be more or less serious, I know by my own, but this will give you a first clue about your "dozens" and what is reality.

 

Germany has allowed in as many as 1 million Muslim refugees in a single year, let's see in 80 years if that pattern continues there would be 80 million Muslims in Germany, that would mean more Muslims, than Germans.

Wow, not hard to see where that's going.

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Funny that the UB following WW2 killed 6,000 Polish, and was run by 2 Jews of Jakub Berman, and Roman Romkowski.

Jews clearly killed much more Polish, than Polish killed Jews.

 

Not yet… 850,000 refugees until now of what are about 600,000 Muslims. In total we have currently 4.9 million Muslims overall in Germany and most of them are Turkish, followed by North Africans. About 4 million of them are living here in 2nd or even 3rd generation.

But the major point is the keyword integration … something what is in your mind an unknown foreign word of no meaning as you show.
Sure and honestly, the integration is not well done too often and has many errors done on all sides, no doubt.

However … ask yourself why so many Polish people leave their country and are same way welcome as all others.

Sure… a current government which threats any historians to be jailed if they want to investigate anti-Semitism done by Polish instead bashing only on the Germans is a serious source!
And that 2 Jews run / lead it … wow, what an argument! If they were Muslims from the USSR, you will then beat all Muslims and take them as next example how evil all Muslims are or what?

Man, the grandmother of my wife lived in city Lwiw what is today Ukraine. Her father fought in Free Polish Army in Africa and Italy (as my grandfather did, but in French Foreign Legion). After the war and when she was age 14, she and her little sister and her mother were brought to Siberia by Polish Officers and NKWD because her father fought in wrong Polish Army and her mother was teacher in a school. The officer of the NKWD was a Jewish one too … so what?

 

Oh yeah, Polish are so welcome in the West, that there's Polish thief jokes in Germany, dumb Polak jokes in the U.S.A, Polish plumber jokes in France, and a constant bombardment of anti-Polish hate crimes, and anti-Polish propaganda in Britain.

 

The Polish government is investigating Jew Jan T Gross for slandering the Polish nation by saying that Poland killed more Jews than Germans.

Much like how it's sensitive to deny the Holocaust to Jews, thus Holocaust denial is banned in much of Europe.

It's sensitive to Polish to blame Polish for the Holocaust unrightfully, considering how many Polish Catholics were killed by Nazi Germany.

One could also look at Jewish Nazi collaborators, and nitpick Jews for that, such as the Jewish Ghetto Police, Jewish Kapos, Group 13, Judenrat, and Jewish Sonderkommandos.

The fact of the matter is Polish Nazi collaborators were minimal, and there's a clear agenda out there to bash Polish as Nazi collaborators, to insult, and slander the Polish nation.

 

This argument is obviously not going anywhere.

I for don't think either party is exactly correct over the tribunal courts, however I think Liberal PO is more incorrect for creating a law so they could boast up their judges to 14 out of 15 tribunal judges.

Even as we speak 9 out of 14 judges are Liberal PO in Poland.

So, it's actually more balanced than before, but still favors Liberal PO.

 

Of course you do... Because one side you identify with all that is evil "Liberals" and the other side therefore has to be the good guys.
Infantile.

The new government has clearly gone overboard and is trying to rig the system to their benefit. We will see whether they are willing to risk civil war and EU membership to pursue it.

 

Just like the previous government went overboard, and actually did rig the system to their benefit?

Creating a new law to put in 5 judges of your own party, 2 of them illegally to make 14 out of 15 tribunal judges in Poland as your own party of PO is some how not rigging the system in their favor?

 

You have been shown that it wasn't ruled to be unconstitutional.
Listen... Facts are facts. You have been shown these things and you still keep repeating them. You are either completely dishonest or a complete idiot. Pick one. I'm done with you.

 

Oh man ….

1. Show me any country which is not making bad jokes about their neighbor countries … or even on parts of people in their own country too!
Sure, some are bad and not funny for them of course, but even in Poland are … as you know … bad jokes done to neighbor countries!

2. In the USA was, as the history shows, on every immigrant wave a bad behavior and treatment. Look on the bad issues with Irish, Italians, Asian, Mexicans and then you are wondering that Polish are with them too?

3. In France is a constant bombardment of anti-Polish hate crimes? Are you serious? There is such a wave existing against Gipsy’s (Sinti and Roma) from particularly Romania, as well usual problems with African immigrants, but not against Polish! 2 Cousins of my wife live and work in France and they never ever told such things!

4. Great Britain is since centuries well-known for a non-existing welcome politic against any foreigners, no matter who they are and from where they are coming. Maybe some special BS blabbering against Polish existing, because about 800,000 are living in the UK, but believe me: It does not matter from where you come, because Germans, Dutch, French, Belgians, Spanish etc. are same way too often not welcome!
And right this anger against the free movement right of EU citizens within the EU is one of the reasons why they voted for exit from the EU … ask Cerberus here in forum, he is one of them as I understood!

 

Polish are definitely the favorite target in the West to bash, there isn't even as much slander, or jokes about Muslims as Polish, which just goes to show what kind of trash we find in the West.

 

Definitely not ... I know many examples which will refute you, as for example in France is a multiple time more jokes against gipsy's given as against any Polish. In the UK, the Blacks and the Pakistani are much mote victim as Polish of such bad jokes ... and to make it short: In Germany are a multiple time more jokes about Bavarians existing as against Polish!

Of course are such bad jokes against Polish existing, but if you want to believe that you are as Polish the major victim of bad jokes, then you will believe it. I know too much examples of other forum members who believe the most rubbish as their opinion and I have neither the duty, nor the will to teach them otherwise.
One example is a person who still claims that massacre against Polish officers in Katyn was done by Germans and not by NKWD ... as well was Stalin a hero and humanist and his attack on Poland in 1939 was only to defend the eastern part of Poland against Germany etc. If this troll wants to believe this BS, then he shall ...

 

Sorry Mr. Mandelus.
Here, I have to correct you a little bit.
"Stalin's attack on Poland in 1939" - it is the return of the territory which Poland had took away from Russia in the war 1920.
Stalin waited until 17 September ( almost three weeks.). If France England would entered the war and really helped Poland, Stalin would not have gone to Poland.Stalin, would not be at war with France and England.

 

Sorry Mr. RUS,

Here I have to correct you ...

Poland conquered this territory in the war of 1920/1921, correct ... but this gave Stalin the right to conquer back? For sure not ... or do you agree when someone is demanding from Russia territory what he lost in a war before? Should Germany demand from Russia to give back area of Kaliningrad? If you agree that the "return" of the 1920 lost territory was OK, then you must agree for my silly example too.


Of course are both sides claiming not to have started the war of 1920/1921, but in fact the real spark who ignited the war is uninteresting, because both sides wanting it. The new Bolshevik Russia wanted to extend is sphere of influence as far to the West as possible in direction to Germany and so Poland was in the way ... Poland wanted the war to strengthen the Eastern Border as most as possible and to get back the borders of 1772.
Fact is too that there was no agreement at end of WW-1 done about Eastern Border of Poland.
Finally ... Stalin commanded one Army Group (the Lemberg Front) and showed military incompetence in this war when he had victory in hand, but made not the necessary steps and movements. Sure, some are arguing that he did extra not because he did not like Tuchatschewski who commanded the other Group etc. ... but this is rubbish in my opinion. It was in 1939 pure "payback" of his own error which cost the young USSR the war!

You forget the German-Russian agreement of 1939 and the content totally and these 3 weeks had only to do with this agreement. That he did not want to go into war with France and Britain is a myth and not more. Both declared Germany directly the war and that they were not willing to declare Russia war too was clear. Look on their behavior when Stalin conquered the Baltics and attacked Finland - nothing aside Bla Bla Bla happened!

 

Is Poland had "the right" to conquer this territory in the war of 1920?
Stalin "conquered this territory in the war " too.

 

Sure ... but not with the BS Propaganda of that he only conquered to safe Polish people as it was later told and as some trolls still believe as truth.

 

You are "rolling a barrel" on Stalin.



These are different things.
Britain and France promised to help Poland in particular. Hitler smashed Poland three weeks. What waited for B and F these three weeks ?

Stalin waited for clear what.
1) When B and F real will begin to fight. (Stalin was afraid of this)
2 )When the Polish government would run out of country. ( or when Hitler will come to demarcation line.)

 

1) When B and F real would began to fight. (Stalin was afraid of this)


Hitler would not be able to fight against England, France and Poland on two fronts. Stalin did not wanted to get involved in such a war. So he waited for three weeks.

 

Even today the mobilization of forces from peace status into war status costs time as you know. Look on details how long the French and British forces needed to go into war status and being 75% able for operations … right 3 weeks! When was first French attack on Germany done? A little bit more as 2 weeks after declaration of war against Germany.

Stalin waited for clear what … Maybe to wait for reaction of France and Britain is named in history as 1 reason, but obviously did Stalin not much care about, because for the Baltics and Finland he gave a crap about them in autumn and winter 1939/1940.
Real reason is more that Stalin was taken by surprise of the fast German success and needed the time to mobilize his own Forces in hurry and looking of what attacks Poland at least, it was fast combined mix of mobile / motorized Russian Forces. Stalin simply thought to have much more time to react …
Further … a still full mobilized Army is more dangerous as potential enemy as an army which is not. A mobilized army can be ordered directly to do what leaders say, including to act on a new enemy, isn’t it?
Maybe Stalin wanted to see if France and Britain really declare war on Germany, but these 3 weeks have nothing to do with any fears of Stalin!