Even as vaccine numbers rise, Democrats double down on masks

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  1. kreo

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    Coronavirus size is very small so it penetrates the mask and accumulates on the mask surface instead of falling to the ground. As a result person who is wearing mask spreads more viruses then person who is not wearing mask.
     
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    Nonsense. Anything that would accumulate on the mask would have been inhaled if the mask was not there
     
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    Please tell me that scientific ignorance has not grown this strong. Please research this bull **** before posting.

    Serious question here that no anti-mask conspiracy theorist on the forum has ever been able to answer or will ever be able to answer: why do surgeons wear masks?
     
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    What they said.
     
  5. kreo

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    As I said before the science the we are getting from Mass media is not a scientific science, it is political science.
    E.g. science never operates with absolute numbers.
    Science never present one side of the story, or incomplete test results.
     
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    I've gotten my information from science. I encourage you to one day do the same instead of relying on lunatic tinfoil blogs.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_science

    No.
     
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    partial science is not a science.
    e.g. that test that show that mask protects people if they spitting on each other does not reflect reality
    in reality it is extremely rare event, much more often people are soaking masks with viruses on the street, then enter grocery store and the spread their viruses around.
    The best proof that masks do not work against Coronavirus is that they work perfectly against Flu viruses.
     
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    I'll again ask you why surgeons wear masks. You will again run away because your religious dogmas are being challenged and you have no ability to respond. Second/third/forth/fifth/sixth/etc. verse, same as the first.
     
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    No, it doesn't, not even a little bit. Mask pores are far too large and viruses are far too small. Viruses exist outside of water droplets and are not forever-bound to a water droplet. Water droplets evaporate. Masks are not perfectly fitted, nor are they worn 24/7/365.

    If masks worked for this purpose, then covid case numbers would be very low in mask mandate States after months and months and months and months of mask wearing mandates, but they aren't. If masked worked then covid case numbers in mask mandate States would be MUCH lower than they are in free States, but they aren't. If masks worked, then my State of Wisconsin should have seen very low numbers during the months and months and months that we had a Statewide mask wearing mandate here, but nope, our numbers just went up and up ever since the mandate, and simply followed annual flu number trends of the past, until they spiked as they always do any flu season and went back down again. Then, our Statewide mask mandate was removed and has been removed for about a month now. Under Church of Covid reasoning, our cases should have soared back up again because there is no mandate in place anymore. NOPE! Our cases have not gone up at all. They have been following past flu season patterns. Guess what, masks don't stop viruses nor their spread.

    Welcome to your new paradox. You cannot simultaneously trap and slow exhaled air and droplets. Either they are trapped or they are slowed.

    Masks do not trap nor slow exhaled air and droplets. Exhaled air still flows out all the same. A mask might stop a droplet, but stopping a droplet is not stopping a virus. Even the almighty Fauci made such a proclamation last year around this time, where he rightly said that masks provide one with a false sense of security.

    Because that's what Demonkkkrats do.

    Masks do not stop nor slow the spread of viruses. Their pores are far too large. The only pandemic happening right now is Liberalism. It will eventually destroy all life on Earth if left unchecked. John Kerry has already advocated for removing all CO2 from the atmosphere to combat Global Warming. All that will end up doing is destroying all life on Earth.

    Demonkkkrats are the ones politicizing this. Demonkkkrats are the ones who don't want people to have the freedom and liberty to make their own healthcare decisions. Demonkkrats are the ones who want people to be enslaved to government officials and multinational corporations.
     
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    Your post is childish. The need to wear a mask is not and has never been a political issue. As many Republicans as there are Democrats wear masks. Your need to turn it into an excuse to engage in childish name calling and partisan references speaks for itself as do your numnerous medicsal claims which have no medical basis.

    You will be the first to demand medical services when you get Covid 19 because of your stupidity. However what is more probable is that you are probably hiding in a basement afraid of anyone and everyone.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html
     
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    You are calling childish names and engaging in silly deflections.

    As I was saying:

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    https://www.lavision.de/en/news/2020/4302/

    And a thorough explanation of the science behind wearing masks:
    https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/4...s-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent
     
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    Because mask protect against big particles (like bacteria or influenza virus).
     
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    Why does a paper tissue placed in front of a spray of water prevent water passing through?
     
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    Yes, focus on that and ignore the obvious. Whatever allows you to maintain your belief.
     
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    What's a smaller particle that they don't protect agains . . . something smaller than bacteria or a virus?

    FYI: the holes in these mask are bigger than bacteria or viruses. So again I ask, and again you will fail to answer, why do surgeons wear these masks?
     
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    Surgeons wear the mask to protect patient mostly from bacteria, because bacterial infection is dangerous for the surgical wound..
     
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    How can that be possible, given your previous arguments? Individual bacteria are smaller than the holes in a surgical mask. Please think about this.
     
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    The obvious is that mask protect people when they spit on each other, but at the same time it increases concentration of viruses in the air.
     
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    What about it was childish?? If anything, YOUR post right here was childish.

    There is no need to wear a mask. It has only ever been a political issue brought about by Demonkkkrats.

    Doubtful, but it is true that plenty of people from all political affiliations have been wearing masks. Your point?

    Sounds like your issues, not mine.

    If I am in need of medical services, I seek them out. Right now, I am not in need of medical services. I've been purposely doing everything "wrong" and I have yet to contract covid. I know a few people who have gotten it. All but one had nothing more than loss of taste/smell and maybe a slight cough. One had a difficult time with it and required intensive care and everything. He was asthmatic, a bit overweight, highly stressed, and etc., so it's understandable that he had a harder time with it. I'm young, healthy, have a great immune system, no comorbidities, so I'm not worried about it.

    Sounds like you're projecting your own issues onto me again. In reality, I am out and about just as I have always been... NOT masking... NOT social distancing... NOT avoiding seeing/visiting anyone... living my life in pre-2020 style. I've had some good conversations with people who have seen me out and about without a mask on.

    Government propaganda dismissed on sight. I am able to think for myself.
     
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    No, they do not "increase concentration of viruses in the air." And there is no reason to protect people from spit in a surgical environment unless protecting them from spit will help protect them from the bacteria, viruses, and fungi . . . which you science denialists claim that masks can't do.
     
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    I though I have explained why surgeons are wearing masks.
    Mask protect from bacteria and influenza, that is exactly why this year number of influenza cases have dropped significantly while wearing mask did not help to fight coronavirus at all.
    Look at Japan, they were wearing mask from the beginning, thinking they are protected, BUT it did not help, they will get getting their share of coronavirus pretty soon with or without mask

    Influenza virus even though the size is little bigger then coronavirus the actual particle is much greater in size then coronavirus.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19871369/
    strain of influenza virus was found to consist of a component having a sedimentation constant of about 30 S, and hence a probable particle diameter of about 10 mmicro

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7224694/
    SARS-CoV-2 is an enveloped virus ≈0.1 μm in diameter,
     
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    Far from it.

    Influenza is a virus. Both viruses and bacteria are smaller than the pores in a mask. So, either you are arguing that masks are useless against preventing ANY KIND OF INFECTION, and thus surgeons should not be using them AT ALL, for any reason, or you are admitting that they are effective at preventing the spread of COVID. Those are your only options, if you are being rational. But I doubt anyone thought that was a risk.

    If homework is too much to ask for, then please quit pretending to care about the facts. Please. Try. Research.

    Please. Try. Learning.

    If that is too much to ask for, then wave your little white flag and carry on your merry way. Do you honestly need more tutoring? If someone provides it, will you listen?
     
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    Why don't you read what I posted.
    Particle of Influenza is bigger the coronavirus.

    also here
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7185834/
    lthough the filtration efficiencies for various fabrics when a single layer was used ranged from 5 to 80% and 5 to 95% for particle sizes of <300 nm and >300 nm, respectively, the efficiencies improved when multiple layers wer
     

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