Evidence for existence of God

Existence of God

The earth is not rotating by itself. Then why the fan is also not rotating by itself? As the invisible current is rotating the fan, the invisible God is rotating the earth. The rotation of earth is work of God. The earth is also the work of God. The rotation of fan is work. The fan is matter. Matter is a form of energy. Energy is work. Therefore the fan is also a form of work only. Thus everything is dynamism (work) only. The dynamo is God. You will immediately say that the dynamo is matter, matter is energy and since work is energy, dynamo is also a form of work. Then you will say God is also a form of work. This is the problem with the simile for God. Every simile is only a part of the creation and cannot stand as a perfect representation of the creator. God is beyond the concepts of work and no work because God is unimaginable.

You can infer the existence of God through this entire wonderful creation (work). But you cannot experience directly unless He enters a particular form of His work which is a human body like Rama, Krishna etc. You can infer the engineer by seeing the wonderful building constructed by him which is his work. But he is present only in a small room of that building. If you want to have a direct contact with him, you should search the room in which he is present. Since the whole building is his construction only, if you sit in some vacant room and try to talk with him, he will not speak to you. You have to identify that specific room in which he is present. In searching for the engineer you may find some other person in some room and can mistake him also as the engineer. Therefore you must have the knowledge of his identification.





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The reason fans do not keep rotating is friction. Different fans work in different ways, but many fans keep moving for a while after you turn it off and slowly grind to a halt. The thing that stops it is friction between the different moving parts of the fan and the fan and the air. The same is not true for the Earth. In comparison to the Earth's momentum, the friction in the solar system is very small, so the Earth is not grinding to a halt (actually, there is some friction so it is slowly halting but it's too slow to make a difference to us). You have demonstrably failed to understand pretty easy mechanics. This does not only prove that you do not know what you're talking about, but that you're comfortable making stuff up when you don't, which is a harsh blow to any world view you adhere to.

Your logic is based on semantics instead of actual logic. For instance, you say "matter is a form of energy" and "energy is work", but you fail to understand that both matter and work are forms of energy and most importantly, they are different forms of energy. Your logic is equivalent to saying "oranges are fruit, apples are fruit, therefore, oranges are apples". Clearly faulty.

Again, my main problem isn't that you got it wrong, anyone can get things wrong. My problem is that you without even considering to look it up or ask someone who knows, you blurt it out with no uncertainty.

If you had any experience with determining these things, you would know that in order do this kind of comparison, you need to have examples both of things that have been designed and things that have not been designed. Since you think the world has been designed, you should have no reference to what you know an undesigned object looks like. Therefore, the information you have given is not enough to draw the conclusion you do.

As usually in these kinds of discussions, you are not adhering to a reliable way to find truth. Consequentially, you'll get a lot of things wrong.

I'll agree to that. If you walk around and make baseless assumptions, such as "there is a man, he must be the engineer", you're going to get things wrong repeatedly.

 

What has ever come into existance from something less complex?

 

Define complexity first. Snowflakes, the mandelbrot set, many things could qualify depending on how you define complexity.

 

What has ever come into existence? We've never observed anything come into existence, let alone from something less complex.

I believe it was the great comedian Bill Hicks who said it best: "GRAVITY!" It's always a piece of special humor when a Christian asks a question he imagines there is no answer to as proof of his god, and the answer turns out to be "because gravity, you scientific illiterate".

 

I thought it was angular momentum and not gravity that caused the Earth to rotate

 

Momentum keeps it moving. Gravity keeps it on its path. At least, that's how I heard it. I could be wrong.

 

Okay I see what you are saying. Rotating around the sun, yes gravity is definitely the answer. I thought he was talking about rotating, as in spinning lol

 

I think gravity plays an important part in that too. If a particular piece of matter has momentum in one direction and is not affected by gravity it will fly off into space.

 

Yes, the old
"order can not come from disorder"
"the lesser cannot create the greater'
etc and blah...

Ignoring that crystals form from a random solution,
that complex molecules self organize, that
random raindrops on dirt will form a river system.

The flow of energy thro matter tends to organize it. The examples are endless.

Why a person would have the idea that their religion requires them
to be utterly blind to how the universe that their (presumed) maker
created is one of those mysteries. Got any ideas?

 

Agree, I was thinking more in where the spin came from in the first place. But the one thing we can all agree on, the drive by posters assertion that the hand of God spins the world is demonstrably incorrect

 

Ah, fair enough. Although...

 

you mean like energy or a God, which is more complex? which is more likely to "pop" into existence?

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As another post pointed out - all of those would not be possible without something more complex like GRAVITY..

Why would you assume that a Christian must be blind to the universe? The bible teaches that the laws of the universe are constant and that there is inherent good in the universe, therefore, it should be explored

 

A 'word'.

 

The abrahamic type 'god'. It's manmade.

 

Science says exactly the oppose of what you state here.

The Copenhagen Interpretation says NOTHING exists until it has been observed, (the CT is the most widely accepted explanation of the basic principles of Quantum Mechanics.)

The basic premise is that everything exists only as Wave Function, (or in the form a wave), that could and might describe what it represents in the real world, if it collapsed into that material state.
The Copenhagen Interpretation states that when a Wave Function is observed, it does collapse and the matter appears.
Observation of the Wave Function is mandatory.

This is the "Evidence for the existence of God " which the opening thread asks for.
Before the Big Bang could collapse (materialize) from the Wave Function that described it, some Observer had to exist outside of the Universe which be formed afterwards.

That implies this Creator God, as the observer.

 

Courtesy of Iron Chariots:

 

Ask Iron Chariot for a link to where it says that the Copenhagen Interpretation was taken from the mental experiment called Schrödinger's cat.

It wasn't it.
Was the rationale to explain the Double slit Paradox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_tNzeouHC4&eurl= The Double Slit Problem

 

Earth is slowly slowing down in its rotation if it kept going after the Sun ends its existence as a yellow star it would eventually stop so science demonstrates a natural cause of rotation it started fastest when the Earth was forming billions of years ago and was slowing down ever since. There is no evidence god or any other supernatural agency did it.

 

Yea, this is not a scientific fact type thingy you are talking about. Other posters have poked holes in your logical reasoning well enough that I would not attempt to join in.

Spiritual reasoning is entirely different than material reasoning but I can see how you got them mixed up.

We are able to look at the world in a lot of different ways. If we are spiritually healthy we are able to cope with contradiction. I personally love it when everything seems to come together and make sense, and I have this overwhelming feeling of connectivity and love. It can happen looking at a sunset or the veins in a leaf or even when contemplating the miniscule breadth of our existence. But it doesn't prove anything, its just a temporary feeling.

If god makes sense to you go with it. Just don't forget that feelings and logic are two entirely different animals.

 

We can see spin as a natural part of nature in the formation of new solar systems using the science of astronomy and related fields like astrophysics.

 

Yes, science is everything. I agree. No science can factually point to how human beings came into existence.

 

Quantum physics also dictate that a quantum wave can observe itself. That is the conclusion of the single electron double slit experiment, the patterns appear because the wavefunction of one electron interferes with itself. You're correct that an Observer has to exist (although the capitalisation is unjustified), but there is nothing saying that it needs to be "outside" of the universe. It is a common mistake to overestimate the definition of observer in quantum physics.

I guess you can argue that that makes the universe the god in itself, which I would have to agree to, but that point argues directly against any intelligence of that god.