Evolution is a joke pt V

Your rants and raves will not cover up your ignorance of Evolution.

 

Now is where rs199 disappears, gets all religious on me, or angry or doesn't post until tomorrow because he/she need to do some serious Google Ninja work!!



I just gave up some ridiculous evidence about what is called Chromosome Matching with offspring and there is nothing that get past that - if the Chromo's don't fit - meiosis must equit!!!!

 

My rants and raves are polished off with websites - do you want to see?

 

Here you go.... http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0888754305003344

Let's discuss this genius!!! Let me know if you want another...

 

And post with Cameron shows your pure GENIUS!!!

 

Told you all... Then within other thread after he/she thinks people have forgot he/she will post something about my character on how I don't know anything about evolution, but I ask you readers?

H/S brought the subject of Chromo 2 to the fold and has not presented jack crap on it... but, I have!! I even submitted a link discussing it specifically dealing with sequences! Is it that said poster has no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clue and is just talking gibberish like a Mormon on your front door step requesting for you to be one of the elite!!! Believing anything and everything that is coming out of his religion without question?!?!

It seems that way to me. We are dealing with science, but he/she presents NONE, just his/here propaganda gibberish of suggesting that evolution is a real thing... Which it is not!!

Now, the funniest thing is most Darwinist say they are not religious and do not believe in the Bible and dislike Christians among others, when they are "faith believers" themselves!!

So run and hide... One day maybe your eyes will open and you will all see that being a Christian and a Darwinist are all faith based...

 

Kinda hard to debate someone who asks why other primates/apes do not have 46 chromosomes while we do. When a person simply cannot understand that once a mutation occurs, that it is IMPOSSIBLE for PAST generations to acquire that mutation. This is why we don’t see croc-a-ducks or other primates/apes with 46 chromosomes.

Here is the quote:

Best just to leave at let them wallow in their own ignorance.

 

I am sorry... I should have explained this a little better and included what I put previously...

You are suggesting there there was an Adam and Eve genius!!! Did you not know that - I could have sworn I posted that to your highly intelligent posting brain TWICE!!!

Unless you can provide the same evolutionary changes within everything in the Ape Clade that is equivalent to Chromo 2 then evolution is Adam and Eve since there is NO - NONE - ZERO evolutionary distictions between the rest of the APE CLADE!!!

Do you understand now? Show us or tell us the Chromo 2 in the other lifeforms within the Ape Clade please...

Do you understand? I really did think the 4 posts before of me repeating this you could have at least caught on, but, as I always say, you never know people until you know them right?

 

Adam and Eve????????????????????????? WTF????????????????????????????

Have you lost it?

 

Chromosome 2 (human)

What the (*)(*)(*)(*) does the above have to do with Adam and Eve????

 

I would explain it using biology, but you don't use biology terms correctly so I'll speak - Googlebioloese as you do.

Okay - when the fusion of the chromo 2 happened it created a new species and is evidence of evolution. That is a drastic and complex fusion of two other genes to create a process of DNA that is now in neither creating something totally new. This new species is evidence of evolution!

Question genius... We'll call the first time it happend Subject A... Now, the question is - it happened, great. Fusion does happen. It is about equivalent to winning the lottery 3 times in a row using the same numbers, but it can happen.... Now, you are suggesting that this Subject A after being born just happened upon someone who had the exact same fusion? Really? AND they were opposite sexes...

So, for some reason, Subject A has a mutation, then in the same ecosystem, by just chance alone, another freak mutation occurs and it just happens to be a female and thus they can mate and spread this new gene within the new species!!!

Sounds like Adam and Eve in the Whatever Garden....

Do you understand? Are you learned, because God help you if you say that Chromo 2 doesn't create a new species!!! I actually do kinda...

 

One of two things please...

Who does Adam mate with?

Or are you suggesting that the whole human race does NOT have this chromo 2 fusion, because that would mean.... nah... you already know huh? Because your a genius right?!?!

 

Wild horses are ciritically endangered and there are three main sub-species of wild horses left:
Equus ferus ferus
Equus ferus przewalskii
Equus ferus caballus

Quoting from wikipedia:
Przewalski's Horse has some biological differences from the domestic horse; unlike domesticated horses and the Tarpan, which both have 64 chromosomes, Przewalski's Horse has 66 chromosomes due to a Robertsonian translocation. However, the offspring of Przewalski and domestic horses are fertile, possessing 65 chromosomes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_horse
This situation did not result from a chromosome fusion but from a chromosome addition. But I have shown that chormosome numbers do change and can happen safely.

Also different species of fox have different chromosome numbers:
The bat-eared fox has 72 chromosomes, the bengal fox had 60 chromosomes, the fennec fox has 64 chromosomes, the gray fox has 66 of chromosomes, the kit fox has 50 chromosomes, the red fox has 34 chromosomes, and the tibetan fox has 36 chromosomes. If these were all part of the same fox "kind" that came from an original pair of foxes from the ark, then chromosome fusion is indeed possible and many times safe, and can be spread through the population.

There are also chromosome number variations between subspecies within badgers, racoon dogs, skunks, wolves and dogs, rats, deer, wolves, hedgehogs, beavers, nightshades, and mice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organisms_by_chromosome_count

Well, there are more differences between humans and chimps than just the fused chromosomes you know.

No they don't say that. The fusion of chromosome 2 is one difference between us and apes, but we don't know if it the one that caused the initial split. And why would we need this to happen twice?

What about whales? They are adapted for the water just like fish yet they are genetically closer to mammals. Their body core temperature stays the same just like mammals, they have lungs not gills, they give birth to live young like mammals but not like fish, and they even have some hair like mammals. They also nurse their young with breasts which is a mammals trait not a fish trait. They even have a nose which is adapted to be a blow hole at the top of their heads (fish have no nose). Why would God give a water animal, a land breathing organ (lung) not a water breathing organ (gills)? What kind of design is this?

Can I see your calculations for a chromosome fusion probability? Look, humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes and apes have 24. If we are related, then what is with the different number? The best answer is chromosome fusion in the human past, so evolution predicts that one human chromosome should look like two ape chromosomes right on top of each other. Further we should see telomeres in the center of the human chromosome. This is exactly what we see. This is solid evidence of the predictive power of evolutionary thinking, and of a chromosome fusion in our ancestors.

Some species of horses do have 32 pairs of chromosomes while others have 33. That is just a fact.

All I am trying to show is that chromosome fusion is possible.

If this fusion was so bad, then why did it happen?

 

Who says it created a new species?????????? YOU?

As Distraff points out, domestic horses have 64 chromosomes, and Przewalski's Horse has 66 chromosomes yet they can mate and produce fertile offspring.
So much for your 'new species' and 'cannot mate' nonsense.

And on a side note about mating, even different species can mate and produce fertile offspring:

Canid hybrid

So we have the same species with different numbered chromosomes able to mate and produce fertile offspring AND we have different species able to mate and produce fertile off spring.

This all adds up to: DBM aka FDS not knowing what he is talking about.

 

That isn't what anybody is saying here, I don't think. Is that how you think speciation occurs? Two organisms, one female and the other male, both get the same mutation and then start having offspring? Wow, two years and you still have no (*)(*)(*)(*)ed clue of what is going on, I would have hoped you had read a book by now.

 

Let's see what Google and Wikipedia pulled up shall we?

Okay...

This is going to get good...

Wait for it...

Yes... but, we are talking about Chromo 2... Please stay on subject...

Oh, but yes they do because none of the other species within the Ape clade share it and ALL humans have this... If we became humans and THEN this fusion happened we would see humans with both the fused and the unfused DNA sequence, thus they look at the fusion as a evolutionary step as humans became a different species. And when it did - whoever it was - would need someone to get busy with to populate the Earth with their seed..

Whales are not land animals... There is no evidence of this whatsoever... Look - it has a bone inside - let's just ASSUME it was a cow...

That's ridiculous - I'm not even going to get into how retarded that is. If you believe your Preacher that told you that - go ahead... How about this - what about all other creatures that live in the sea and breath air? All seal, sea lions, dolphins... What about all the rest of them? Explain that? What... Can't...

Didn't think so...

That's easy... How often does Chromo Fusion happen in life. Well, how much life is on this planet right now? Now, how much reproducing is happening including micro-organisms that reproduce in hours... out of one day - all the life on the planet reproducing - how often does fusion happen?

Now, how much life is on this planet? Including bacteria? Do you even know that number? Now, take that - and tell me - per ratio of what YOU think is how often fusion happen - how often does fusion happen?

So, what we have noticed in life is it hasn't happened with humans from the time it happened before... When did it happen last for E. Coli?

As I stated - my numbers are very obsure and way off because I can't think of the number needed off hand, because it's retarded large. I'm just wondering why you think that it's not...

Why do you think it's not so high? OR how about this- why would you question it?

WHAT!??!?!

I already know fusion is possible... All that for nothing... Argh...

 

Here comes that double edged sword.

If it didn't create a new species then why is it significant again? Do ALL humans have it, because if it didn't create a "new species" wouldn't the DNA be shared with by life that was before? Isn't that what you YOU said?

see the comedy in it? I do... it's hilarious...

Not fused genius... Try reading for once... and we can't mate with chimps..... that part of your post is idiotic...

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!!!!

I just laughed out loud at work... Wow - you think that those are different species!!! ABSOLUTELY COMICAL!!!!

I swear - you need to take this on the road and make some MONEY!!!! I'm not even reading the rest... Woooo - tears folks.... Tears in my eyes!!!


I think you should stop now... seriously...

 

Umm... Isn't that already obvious?



Now, let us introduce Grasping the King of the Peanut Gallery...

Nobody in all these pages was talking about Speciation, but Grasping will try to introduce it as evidence for his how gibberish...

yea - can anyone interpret that? Is he/she for husband/wife mutation offspring or against?

THE KING HAS RETURNED!!!

I actually thought Grasping evolved into one of those gas clouds you see on Star Trek...

 

Yes, but showing that other species that have different chromosomes pairs can mate and produce fertile offspring, leads to the credence that you have now idea what you posting.

What a mountain of misinformation this is! WE split off from out common ancestor with the chimpanzee some 6-8 million years ago.

We also know that every woman on this planet can trace her heritage back to Mitochondrial Eve which lived about 200,000 years ago and every man can trace his ancestor back to Y Chromosome Adam, which lived about somewhere between 60,000 and 142,000 years ago.

Based on this information, it is pretty easy to say the fusing of Chromosome happened between the branching off of our common ancestor with the chimpanzee and when Mitochondrial Eve walked the Earth. Pretty easy to see how ALL humans have the fusion in human Chromosome 2.

Figures, if you cant refute what Distaff has to say here, then you just go into some kiddie tantrum on how 'retarded that is'.

 

Why don’t you go find a quote where I said life before a mutation would get it.
Hell, you can even be my charity case here:

There ya go: I said only FUTURE generations will receive it, not PAST.
Either: 1 – you are lieing about what I said, or 2 – not reading what I said.

Question is, which one is it?

Also human chromosome 2 is significant because it is a iron-clad piece of evidence for Evolution. Creationists either flat out lie about it about Human Chromosome 2 , or they simply say the creator must have created it that way. Either of those answers is hogwash.

fused or not, it is YOUR stance that species w/o the same exact chromosome sets cannot mate. That has been shown to be debunked.

Unreal, according to you, the wolf, dingo, dog, coyote, and golden jackal are not different species?

Talk about need to take their nonsense on the road for a comedy show!

Remember this statement:

the ONLY reason why you would even consider those as the same species, is because if refutes your above argumment.

You have been thoroughly debunk of evolution. Why don't just leave?

 

speciation

Your quote:

You are not referring to speciation here, then what the (*)(*)(*)(*) are you referring too?? Explain away genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I know that you have troubles reading and sometimes I have to hold your hand. I am here to teach... Not to point out your short comings...

Look... Do you see it? Do you see now what I was talking about? Can you see it?!?!

It's in red....

 

This is not how speciation occcurs.

 

We are not talking about different chromosomes pairs genius - we are talking about FUSED CHROMOSOMES... Here - so you'll get it this time FEE-UUUU-ZZZZ-EDDDD KROO-MOO-SOOMEZ.... Got it!!! Did you get it that time?

Please - here to teach! Help those along....

And Distaff's assessment is ridiculous... I'm not going over Google garbage...

 

Umm no, and stop trying to change the subject like the other Peanut Gallery member did because you are well below FAIL...

You know it...

I know it..

The people reading know it...

You are DONE!!!