Ex-Trump Adviser Peter Navarro Sentenced To 4 Months

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    As it should be. Her Honor is right: POTUS is not a king. But neither is the Courts or Congress. It's time to reform the laws and get rid of subpoena power
     
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    Dems has their chance .

    Tell are all future Congressional subpoenas invalid now because of your allegations against Jordan?
     
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  4. Patricio Da Silva

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    No, it's time to give the subpoena power teeth.
     
  5. AmericanNationalist

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    Yes, a political gestapo, that definitely has not been abused in human history and will definitely not harm civil liberties. /sarcasm detected.

    Trump said something that's true and timeless: "Legislate or investigate". Either Congress is a legislative body, meaning it forsakes all forms of legal enforcement, or it is a part of the law enforcment regiment, it cannot and must not be both.

    To show how much I find the investigative powers to be improper, the 1967 SCOTUS decision on US taxpayer information is grossly wrong. There is no 'legislative importance' to civilian tax information. There can only be abuse of power and the violation of privacy within.

    There's a reason we have a 4th amendment, and there's a reason we have an IRS. We deigned to separate these powers, and it is clear only political opportunists would want to unite them. It is up to the courts(not political actors) to defend and protect our legal system.

    When they cannot, the kind of quasi-political/judicial confrontations like the ones we find ourselves in, takes place.
     
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    good to see some Trump folks finally getting called on it, not sure why some Republicans, especially those in Congress get a pass

    when is people like Jim Jordan gonna be called on it?
     
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    So when do you suppose you're going to author a thread about justice to put Eric Holder, or Louis Lehner in jail? You aren't serious.
     
  8. Patricio Da Silva

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    You need to study on a concept called 'prosecutorial discretion'. Not every one is prosecuted for a given code violation, as there are a host of factors which go into the determination which neither you nor I am privy to which go into the determination, as to why they didn't prosecute the following congressional subpoena violators:
    (noting you didn't mention them) House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R Calif.), and Reps. Scott Perry (R Pa.), Jim Jordan (R - Ohio), Andy Biggs (R Ariz.) and Mo Brooks (R Ala.), and your mention of Holder and Lehner.

    But you only mentioned democrats, how convenient.
     
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  9. The Mello Guy

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    Trump DOJ had 4 years for them and did nothing.
     
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    Not accurate. They give him immunity, he's got to talk
     
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    You'd play hell trying to put a former AG in Prison.

    Lois Lerner WAS referred for prosecution. I'm not going to look up the fine points but (I think it was the US Attorney for DC?) took the case and formally decided not to prosecute. Giving her absolute immunity based on double jeopardy.

    He retired/resigned -- Literally five minutes later. Just a coinky-dink, huh? betcha

    right
     
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    Not prosecuting someone doesn’t give them immunity.
     
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    So you admit that in your world, prosecutorial "discretion" can be used to politically attack your political opponents. Not a question. Just a statement of fact. If, as you suggest here, you believe in prosecutorial discretion, you might also then understand that there is also room for prosecutorial misconduct, something that seems very applicable to the hyena court ms Pelosi inflicted this nation to. And when it comes around that it was ms Pelosi et al who manufactured the alleged "insurrection" that you claim has merit, I assume you're going to be crushed as it comes out in the public record.
     
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    Given how the DOJ under Trump conducted themselves, it's hardly a valid point you make here.
     
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    Just a product of incompetent leadership at the very top
     
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    Pelosi controlling judges and juries….and probably mind control to force the Jan 6 loons to attack cops and break in the Capitol.
     
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    Given that Garland has defended Trump twice in court, his DOJ prosecuted a Dem senator (Menendez), there is no evidence that Garland is partisan and thus your claim is false.
    If there were, Trump would have filed motions to that effect. Alas, no such motions have been filed.
    My claim is backed by the evidence, yours is only backed your partisan suspicion.
     
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    Named Trump? Yes, that appears to be what you guys are going for.
     
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    So, you're saying that contempt of Congress does mean something.
     
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    Totally! Look at Jim Jordan!
     
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    You meant to say Eric Holder.
     
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    Pretty sure I typed Jim Jordan correctly. Did I not?

    Or does Jordan get an excuse because he loves him some MAGA?
     
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    The House of Representaives can subpoena a sitting member whenever it feels like it?

    I didn't know that. And I don't think so.
     
  25. Patricio Da Silva

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    I believe Congress can subpoena anyone, as long as there is a investigatory purpose with a legislative purpose behind it. Subpoenas can be quashed, but you still have to appear if you don't succeed.
     

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