Exclusive: First charges filed in Mueller investigation

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Then why weren't they so suspicious of the DNC and Clinton campaign which DID collude in order to undermine the election? And how does twice rebuffing such efforts translate into eager to do so?
     
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    No it's not illegal but when Russia is engaged in illegal activity and the campaign seems eager to work with them, it makes sense to look
     
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    Steele was NOT a government employee in the UK.

    Notice that the dossier was NOT released until January 2017 on Buzzfeed.
     
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    Rebuffing? Not according to the emails.
    Who from the clinton campaign was in contact with Russian agents? When did Russia work to help the clinton campaign?
     
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    If mueller could he would

    Its time to exonerate trump and investigate hillary and obama
     
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    Why wouldn't just wait and see if the evidence exonerates him?
    Lol investigate them for what? Being democrats?
     
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    Mueller never will stop investigating trump

    The more he does not find the harder he will look
     
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    I want to see a 2nd special prosecutor to investigate mueller, comey hillary and the obama adminstration
     
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    I'm sure you do lol
     
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    Last we heard trump wasn't even under investigation...are you saying he is?
     
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    I do because the dems are dirty
     
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    Of course the target is trump
     
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    Another troublesome aspect of Manafort's indictment:
    If you recall the description of the pre-dawn "raid" on Manafort's domicile, there was a rather forceful effort, I recall they picked the lock, burst into his bedroom and frisked his wife. There were dozens of agents, some in military gear who stormed through the house seizing computers, documents and anything else that caught their eye. Manafort is a lawyer, it would be sensible to anticipate he'd have some legal work in his home office, Mueller knows what "attorney work product" means, he is familiar with the concept of "attorney-client privilege", can we suppose these forcefully operating agents knew what they were doing and conformed their conduct to law? The lawyers will discuss and the judge will make a determination.
     
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    Who claims they frisked his wife?
     
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    According to the results, they rebuffed his efforts even saying no way. And already answered your specious questions.

    So again, Then why weren't they so suspicious of the DNC and Clinton campaign which DID collude through their foreign agent intermediary in order to undermine the election? If this is about Russia attempting to influence and undermine the election why are they investigating how they tried to do it through the DNC and Clinton campaign?
     
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    "Gun-wielding FBI agents busted into Paul Manafort’s home as he was asleep in bed and even searched his wife for weapons, it was revealed Tuesday."
    http://nypost.com/2017/09/19/gun-wielding-fbi-agents-busted-into-manaforts-home-while-he-was-asleep/

    "FBI agents entered former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort’s Alexandria, Virginia home in July with their guns drawn and searched his wife for weapons, CNN reports."
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/19/report-fbi-agents-entered-paul-manaforts-home-with-guns-drawn/
     
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    So what? He was a foreign national.

    So what?
     
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    When the DNC got info that had Russian agents they gave it to the FBI, while team trump sought meetings with Russian agents at every opportunity. When did they say no way? The emails say sure bring someone with you
     
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    So what?
     
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    Mueller is a flippin disgusting creep.

    Podesta Group one of the companies mentioned in Manafort indictment: report.

    While Trump and the campain are never even mentioned in the indictment, The Podesta Group, a prominent lobbying and public relations firm, is one of the two unidentified companies mentioned in the grand jury indictment, NBC News reported Monday.

    Manafort and Gates approached “Company A” and “Company B” in 2012 about lobbying on behalf of the Ukrainian government, according to the indictment that was unsealed Monday.

    Company A refers to Mercury Public Affairs and Company B refers to the Podesta Group, three sources with knowledge of the investigation told the news outlet.

    The Podesta Group and Mercury both did work to benefit a pro-Russia Ukrainian party through Brussels-based nonprofit European Centre for a Modern Ukraine.

    Hmm.
     
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    Read the plea deal- where Papadopolous had to tell the truth or lose the deal- where it says Clovis told him he did a good job and encouraged him to go to Russia.

    The DNC and Clinton are off topic in this thread on Mueller filing charges.
     
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    The writing is already on the wall. People are just choosing to be blind.
     
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    CLOVIS was a has been with no experience from the Carson campaign who was hoodwinked by Pappy into thinking he had some knowledge and expericence and that is who brought him over and they gave him make work which no one paid any attention to nor to him.

    " He was hired in November 2015 by Barry Bennett, Mr. Carson’s campaign manager, after contacting Mr. Bennett on LinkedIn.

    Mr. Bennett said in an interview that he hired Mr. Papadopoulos to serve on the Carson campaign’s foreign policy committee in the wake of the terrorist attack in Paris, which set off a mad scramble among campaigns to bolster their national security expertise.

    Some on the campaign were initially suspicious of Mr. Papadopoulos’s credentials, according to a former campaign official, and brought him in to vet him. The campaign official didn’t recall whether Mr. Papadopoulos cited any connections to Russia in that vetting meeting................

    Ultimately, the Carson campaign opted to bring Mr. Papadopoulos onto its foreign policy advisory committee. “We were desperate for putting people on that list,” the campaign official said.

    Mr. Papadopoulos was paid about $18,000 for salary and travel over three months, according to Federal Election Commission records.

    Mr. Bennett said he was unimpressed with Mr. Papadopoulos, who he had expected would move to Washington but instead moved to Chicago, where he had grown up and where Mr. Bennett believed he had a girlfriend.

    In February 2016, Mr. Papadopoulos was let go, as the campaign shrunk its staff to save costs, and began working at a London law group’s energy consultancy. Mr. Carson quit the race that March.

    Mr. Papadopoulos had been recruited to the committee by Sam Clovis, a policy adviser to Mr. Trump, according to Mr. Clovis’s lawyer, Victoria Toensing. Mr. Clovis, a conservative talk-radio host who himself lacked foreign-policy experience, had been tasked by the campaign with assembling the national security committee.

    Mr. Bennett, who left the Carson campaign before Mr. Papadopoulos’s departure and subsequently joined Mr. Trump’s effort, said he wasn’t consulted when the Trump campaign appointed Mr. Papadopoulos to its national security committee in March. Had he been asked, Mr. Bennett said he would have advised the campaign not to bring Mr. Papadopoulos aboard.

    “We hired him, and he was basically a no-show,” Mr. Bennett said..............

    Ms. Toensing said that following the Trump committee’s first meeting, on March 31, 2016, Mr. Papadopoulos was “never otherwise approached by the campaign for consultation.”

    Court documents unsealed on Monday show that a “campaign supervisor,” whom a person familiar with the exchange identified as Mr. Clovis, encouraged Mr. Papadopoulos to make a trip to Russia to meet with officials who claimed they could provide the Trump campaign with “dirt” on Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton.

    Ms. Toensing didn’t dispute that Mr. Clovis was identified in Mr. Papadopoulos’s plea deal as a “campaign supervisor,” but said her client’s apparent encouragement of Mr. Papadopoulos traveling to Russia amounted to a “polite gentleman from Iowa [expressing] courtesy and appreciation.” She said the two haven’t spoken since before Election Day.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/papadopoulos-followed-a-winding-path-into-trumps-orbit-1509528614
     

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