Explaining Same Sex Marriage

I thought this was great, it breaks the issue down to the very basics (and seems to explain it very slowly). Anyone who has moved passed Kindergarten should be capable of understanding the basic argument.

I wonder of the occurrence of strawmen will diminish with this new found knowledge?

 

Please tell me what interest the US government has in endorsing same-sex marriage. What does the populace as a whole benefit from government endorsing the fiscal responsibilities incurred by endorsing the union?

 

The same benefits as heterosexual marriage.

Duh.

 

Could you be more specific? What does average Joe Citizen get? I mean--from hetero unions, there are social benefits to the structure of society. What does homo union offer to society?

 

The same benefits as heterosexual marriage.

Duh.

Whatever benefits you are referring to that are offered to heterosexuals would be offered to homosexuals.

 

The benefits of marriage:

Legal and economic benefits of marriage


As for Joe the plumper, he gets the benefit of knowing that he lives in a tolerate society that gives out rights so he knows HIS rights will always be protected.

 

Not offered to--offered by.

There is a reason that government supports marriage by giving social benefits to individuals who enter into the matrimonial union--there is a societal benefit to their union. What societal benefit is inherent in the homosexual union that may recompense the government extending the offer of endorsing the union?

 

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What recompense does the homosexual union offer?

 

Nothing, since there is no loss occured.

Why do you think there is a loss?

 

What social 'benefits' are there to heterosexual marriages?

 

The government doesn't "owe" you anything. The government is a service that we pay for through taxes. Sometimes we re given recompense for things that benefit society--like a tax break.

 

Sure it does. The Government owes me the right to be treated and have the same rights as everyone else.

That is in the 14th amendment. Perhaps you should read it sometime.

 

The purpose of the government is to help promote and protect policies that help keep the country strong and prosperous.

Marriage serves an essential social function. Aristotle in his Politics Book 7 Part XVI it is assumed that the purpose of marriage is procreation.

At its core, marriage is the means of developing cohesive social bonds and family units that contribute to society by providing a structure for the growth, development, and education of children.

Government is called upon to do this by the least restrictive means possible. That is why non-procreative marriages of hetero-sex couples is still legal--it is not the government's business to DICTATE what people must do, but rather support those structures that promote positive social growth.

A homosexual union cannot procreate. The government cannot dictate that they adopt. Therefore, the government has no interest in supporting same-sex marriage.

In the least restrictive environment, the government's interest is to support hetero-sex unions that MAY procreate (while not making it a requirement to do so), while it has no interest in supporting same-sex unions that cannot procreate (while also making no requirement that such unions adopt or seek other means of acquiring children).

 

The Government Owes You Nothing.

 

Procreation has NOTHING to do with marriage.

I'll await your next smoke screen

 

Again, read the 14th amendment.

The government owes me equal protection under the laws.

 

Your assertion does not make it so. Historically/Socially/Politically/Governmentally....marriage has EVERYTHING to do with procreation and the stability of the family unit across all cultures worldwide.

 

Study: Children of Lesbians May Do Better Than Their Peers

Divorce Rate

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Procreation has NOTHING to do with marriage.

 

You are wrong.

The state has NO INTEREST in supporting same sex marriage. There is nothing that is intrinsically beneficial to society by promoting it by governmental endorsement. This is because there is no intrinsic recompense in the same sex union and the state aims to be least restrictive in its policies.

Government is not there to make you "happy." It's not there to give you stuff. It is there to create stability in the least restrictive way. Homo-marriage is IRRELEVANT to social stability whereas hetero-marriage is a benefit to social stability through the procreation and rearing of children.

 

Yes it does.

GO READ THE 14TH AMENDMENT.

 

There is no law that says you cannot marry. Just like there is no law that says "love" is required for marriage.

You have "equal protection." However, you don't get "special privilege."

 

Indeed, if it had to do with it heterosexual couples beyond the age of procreation wouldn't be allowed to marry and the marriages of heterosexual couples who turn out to be infertile would be annulled. None of this is the case.