F-22 (Raptor) attacked a Russian attack aircrafts Su-25

Discussion in 'Warfare / Military' started by st256, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I dont know if they do or not

    But I wont assume they are pushovers because that might be a fatal error
     
  2. Balancer

    Balancer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,926
    Likes Received:
    299
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Is this your form of information blindness or information ignorance? :)

    It seems, all the same, ignorance. The US war with China will lead to approximately the same consequences as the US-Russia war. Both sides of the conflict will be mutually destroyed.
     
  3. st256

    st256 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    447
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Aha.
    You were not telling the Vietnamese how to live. You bombed they only.
    You were not telling the Serbians how to live. You bombed they only.
    You were not telling the Iraqis how to live. You bombed they only.
    You are very silent people, American.
     
  4. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ok have it your way

    In your world we are all ignorant if we dont agree with you
     
  5. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,400
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Well. If your major worries concern the troops thousand miles away from your house, then you have all the basis to worry. Russia will surely back China or Iran in their defensive activities. North Korea is also next to Russian far East and nuclear conflict there will make Russia to participate. But frankly speaking I regard Russia as a factor which keeps world out of war and the US as a threat. Not vice versa. If Putin or Lavrov told that US is a threat to Russia, because it interferes with Russian interests to change regime in Canada and stop Brazil's political drift I would think the opposite. :)
     
  6. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The conversation was about russia so I will stay on topic even it you cant

    The Soviet Union (russia) was trying to extend communist control all over the world during the Cold War

    and a takeover of non communist South Vietnam was one of their targets of conquest

    Except for that there would have been no war
     
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2017
  7. st256

    st256 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    447
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    No, American. In our world you are just ignorant.
     
  8. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,400
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63
    That is the best joke so far.
    Unfortunately it is the USA politics which not even tells but forces other countries to behave in a way which is currently needed by another gang from Washington. They teach what to trade, what to produce, what to fight, what to think and what to love (in all senses). If someone doesn't agree - sanctions, provocations, acusations etc.
     
  9. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,400
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63
    That is not true. The terroristic idea of world communist revolution was given up in the 30s. It was Stalin who dissolved the international union of communists-revolutionaries. The Cold war was an only type of aggression which westerners (not only the USA) could afford against the USSR. Vietnam was a pure attempt of acquiring a new colony. Nothing more.
     
  10. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thats not how most Americans see it although obama and bernie sanders might agree with you

    Russia was still advancing the world communist movement after WWII and that is what started the Cold War
     
  11. st256

    st256 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    447
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    No problem.
    Do you know, that your Joe Biden... banned Putin to be elected? :)
     
  12. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He’s not “my” joe biden

    I never voted for him and never will
     
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2017
  13. st256

    st256 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    447
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    I dont interesting you have a joe biden or not. I'd like to know, is it a "telling the russians how to live"?
     
  14. Plus Ultra

    Plus Ultra Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2017
    Messages:
    3,028
    Likes Received:
    1,190
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In terms of GDP per capita, Russia is in an awful 64th place (right behind Lebanon –defintely Third World). http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp-capita.php

    In terms of just raw GDP (to overcome the distortion due to uneven income distribution –of which there is a lot more in Russia than elsewhere), this country is 11th (just behind puny Canada). http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

    Russia’s 144 million people generate less GDP than Italy’s 59 million
     
  15. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What did biden do specifically?
     
  16. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Russia is a jackel compared to the much larger US elephant

    But putin does not expect to bring down the US all by himself
     
  17. st256

    st256 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    447
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    He banned Putin to be elected.
     
  18. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You’ll have to do better than that
     
  19. Balancer

    Balancer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,926
    Likes Received:
    299
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    If a person believes that his country can survive a Chinese nuclear strike - then yes, he does not have everything in his head :)
     
  20. st256

    st256 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    447
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    You have no the answer. OK.
     
  21. Balancer

    Balancer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,926
    Likes Received:
    299
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    Read about the events of 1991. Russia is already 26 years old, as a capitalist state :)
     
  22. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I dont think sny nation will survive an all-out nuclear war if the weapons are aim at it
     
  23. st256

    st256 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2017
    Messages:
    1,795
    Likes Received:
    447
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    The belief is a irrational concept including the belief in their own uniqueness. You have to respect the main American religious.
     
  24. Mac-7

    Mac-7 Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2011
    Messages:
    86,664
    Likes Received:
    17,636
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This tag team match with two russian wrestlers is getting tiresome

    Your comrade clone took the conversation back more than 26 years and I replied
     
  25. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2012
    Messages:
    3,400
    Likes Received:
    218
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Google the 'dropshot' plan, operation 'unthinkable' and the date of NATO establishment comparing to Warsaw treaty. The cold war was started by western establishment who made their people to think that they are not aggressors.

    Communism as every extreme ideology is an ill system IMHO. But you can't blame a bad person of your own sins. After the WWII the USSR was mostly interested in recovery after the losses in it and prevention of a new world war. Luckily the soviets built advanced rockets with thermonuclear warheads and a system of imminent counterstrike. This strategy broke the economy of the USSR but at same time it allowed the global peace for decades. Now the politicians have new toys. Primarily it is American politicians.

    ANyway after the collapse of the USSR there was no threat of communist revolutions worldover, but the situation didn't change to the good. So if we take this anti-communist propaganda construction it remains false. The only logical system is completely the opposite.
     

Share This Page