F-22 (Raptor) attacked a Russian attack aircrafts Su-25

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  1. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

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    Russia has no unsolved debt so far. It is 0 (zero). Can the US afford to pay its debt today? Tomorrow? In ten years? No? Then I don't take this lifestyle as a model. I can easily take a loan from the bank and waste it. I would definitely be very happy. Before the payday... And it will surely come. :)
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have very little debt and what remains will be paid off in a few months. I can understand why a lifestyle you can't afford isn't taken as a model. :)
     
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    One word, allies
     
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    No, stalin murdered millions of Soviet citizens for what he would call the greater good of communism

    As for your economic problems I cant help you

    Russia has many talented people and you should be an economic powerhouse on par with Sout Korea and Japen at least

    Actually you could be in the top 3-5 economies

    But you have too many internal problems that are holding you back
     
  5. Yazverg

    Yazverg Well-Known Member

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    Soviet army never lost in Afghanistan. It fulfilled every order it received. But an army is not a police and it cannot make the people to live the way they don't like. Unfortunately soviet leftist propaganda was weaker than prpopaganda of radical pseudo-Islam. Of course, I wouldn't admit the loss. It was a victory. Soviet army eliminated not only organized activities of mujaheds but also all the attempts of the US to fight soviet army away. The army left but didn't flee. The soviet politicians were wrong to interfere with afghnistan but they were even more wrong to take soviet army away from the region. If they didn't command - the army would have stayed there up to now.

    As for terrorism... Well.. I am not surprised with what you say, but I don't admire terrorist and don't consider it to be a heroic activity. IMHO any terrorist is weak, dumb and mean. Not a soldier. So I can't say that chopping heads is a loss for USSR. It was a crime. It wasn't war.

    As for WWII if the US joined Germany we would have still won. But we would have to spend more people and time. USA waited till the last moment and if not the Red Army and the attack that went before time, the fascists would have swept all the American forces to English channel from the Ardennes. You were just lucky to be on the side of victors. You haven't made a crime. And if you want I can say 'thank you' for that. Although any man of the billions who didn't serve Hitler deserves just the same attitude IMHO.
     
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    The US can always count on Micronesia and Nauru (not that sure about the Marshalls).
     
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    Allies?

    Maybe Japan and South Korea because the threat from china and north korea is directly against them

    But the euro’s?

    Dont count on them
     
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    Certainly not canada
     
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    Putin just called the WH to thank the President for the US giving the Russians intel to foil a terror attack, doesn't sound like "spoiled relations" to me.
     
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    There's hope Canada won't follow you to hell, yes. Anyway, by looking at how NAFTA negociation go, you guys will do just fine without us (or any of your traditional allies, like GB, France and Australia). Go for it my good man.
     
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    Sorry Mac have to disagree, the Euros have to help it's in their best interest to do so. Aussies are another, it's in their back yard.
     
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    That is propaganda. 'Millions' is just a better word to make an impression on those who don't know the facts.

    I am not asking. You could vote for reasonable politicians or become reasonable to get elected and change this policy that we can make business. But you completely have given in to those who do cause these problems for me. And I don't. Because the alternative to these problems is death. And I want to live.

    We would decide it ourselves. But you are quite close to what our government performs.

    We are not that far from this result.

    True. But at the moment our biggest problem is an unprecedental chaotic behavior of the US ruling class. If they deal more with their own problems we would have a better chance to cope with our internal issues.
     
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    I suppose the brits can surrender to germany

    While canada and austrailia can apply to become vassel states of china
     
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    I have just paid off mine. But we talked as patriots. :) For our countries. :)
     
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    I always hope for the best

    But plan for the worst

    Which is that the euros will go powder their nose in the next big war

    I hope you are right and I’m wrong
     
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  17. Yazverg

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    China won't need vassals. And GB wouldn't become a lil brother of Germany that easy. It is either that all the people in security council of UN start to talk over the future of the world freely and openly or the US would drive itself into a war with the side it considers the most dangerous. For now it is Russia or China. Tomorrow it can be the EU.
     
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    You are from Ukraine? This is a very common myth there to justify your own failures. Unfortunately for you, this myth has nothing to do with reality :)
     
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    It seems I guessed right. Typical Ukrainian pictures began :)
     
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    Yes, I agree that there were Soviet networks operating throughout the west too.

    My purpose in posting was to show precisely that both sides operated (and operate) in this way and that it's hypocrisy to promote the view constantly published by our western media of that period that only the Soviet's wore black hats (these days it's the Russian bogey-man meme - same thing really), whereas we in the west are adorned in shining armour. Nothing is more ridiculous and inaccurate.

    My position is that as citizens we need to understand the true nature of power, conflict and covert actions or else we are simply played for fools.

    To my memory this last year was the first time that the US deep state actually stepped out of the shadows, although it has been the ruling mind behind most US foreign policy decisions dating back to WWII.

    In passing I would note that a classic example of a US deep state play was Watergate.
     
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    Again a bunch of myths. Boring, gentlemen, boring :)
     
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    Did your jets launch from your old rusty carrier that breaks down daily? :D
     
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    Russia, unlike the United States, does not conduct aggressive policies around the world. Therefore, Russia does not have the task of attacking the enemy overseas. We have enough ground-based.
     
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    Im German, not United States. And we laugh about your ****. Like your new armata tank which broke down at first day and can easily ne cracked by oir new cannon,
     
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    The reason russia stays at home is because they cant afford to do anything else

    The news today is that russia and china are preparing for war with the US in order to support North Korea

    So putin may get his wish after all
     

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