Face masks made ‘little to no difference’ in preventing spread of COVID, scientific review finds

Did the CDC recommend P100 masks for the general public? No, they recommended paper surgical masks. Why would you bring up P100 masks? There was never a requirement or mandate to wear them.

 

Because you said all "masks" are ineffective.

Maybe the CDC should have told the truth about masks from the beginning. I remember Fauci saying masks weren't needed and then later said he made the comment to protect the supply of PPE for healthcare staff. I don't blame people for being confused or cynical.

Properly worn, a P100 respirator is very effective at protecting the wearer. People who need better protection because of their age and health, or perhaps need to avoid getting covid because of a close association with vulnerable friends and family, should have the information they need to decide for or against wearing PPE.

 

Well I don't recall saying anything about "all masks" but you are still prattling on about P100's as if everyone was wearing them. Virtually no one was (although I'm sure you were). So going on about P100 masks sounds like you are either trying to confuse the issue or distracting from it because of Mask Nazism or whatever it is that struck much of the public that turned them insane and willing to enforce the most stupid and draconian restrictions regardless of actual effectiveness.

 

I would venture I'm far more aware of how many people wear quality PPE than you are. Not many wore these...



... but more wore the less obtrusive...


I don't think many people are wearing PPE of any kind these days, although I still note many in-person services are still suffering from people avoiding them. Rather than buying a car and driving to work to avoid a 15-minute ride public transit, rotating through a few of P100 respirators may be a less expensive choice. People should have accurate information. You aren't helping with your inaccurate anti-"mask" ranting.

There is effective PPE available for anyone who wants or needs them.

Stop with the blather. You're fighting a battle that's over. I'm countering the wild rhetoric about all "masks" being ineffective. If anti-maskers cut their anti-mask crusade, I will say a lot less.

 

No the battle is not over. Public health officials are going to have to be honest with what they got wrong. I realize you never will, which is why your only response is blather about the irrelevant P100's, but no one leans on you for public health advice. The "experts" who got it all wrong are going to have to do a mea culpa if they are ever going to get any credibility back.

 

You don't live in the real world if you're waiting for them to admit they misrepresented the effectiveness of quality PPE or masks. Most people figure you have what you want and don't think very much of your whining.

I have zero regard for anti-maskers who misrepresent the efficacy, ease of use, or cost of high-quality respirators. Telling someone P100 respirator doesn't work when it does is unethical.

You're politicizing a personal decision to wear effective PPE by misrepresenting the potential personal benefit.

 

You literally can't stop distracting about P100's when they are not, and have never been, part of the conversation. Yammering about them seems to be the only way you can have it both ways: both being a pro Mask totalitarian and also recognizing they didn't do any good.

It's a fairly obvious ploy but I suppose you need some way to justify being on the wrong side of history and science.

 

Only fools are 'distracted' by information about what works. You anti-maskers just hate it when someone points out you're politicizing masks and spreading misinformation. That makes you no better than the government officials you criticize.

"Yammering?" What an utterly absurd comment. P100 respirators protect users if worn properly.

Are you going to claim again that P100 respirators are ineffective?



Why are doctors and nurses caring for covid patients wearing P100 respirators? Are they on "the wrong side ... of science?"

 

I should have realized this before, but you clearly recognize that you lost and are desperately trying to "p100" yourself out of this. Since I never criticized, or talked about P100 masks they are irrelevant. They weren't mentioned in the study and they weren't mentioned by me.

They were however, mentioned by you as your stand in for all masks.

OK your caught, but given your history, I expect another reply from you like "why do you hate P100's?" or "why don't you believe the science on P100's?"

Heh, it's like a Russian collusion thread!

 

You can't stop, can you? You said all "masks" are ineffective. That's BS.

I said surgical masks are largely ineffective at protecting the wearer, although there is a limited benefit in slowing the spread of the virus. I pointed out that people who feel they need protection could wear a high-quality respirator and protect themselves instead of requiring everyone to mask up.

Not good enough for @Lil Mike--you have to trash all "masks" because you have a political agenda.

Earth to @Lil Mike: it's not about you. It's not about your "study," either.

Trying a straw man?

I hope we're nearing a time when extremist thinking like yours has been thoroughly discredited.

 

This is really pathetic.

 

You're like the guy with one foot nailed to the floor trying to walk forward.

 

Congratulations, you finally managed to post something without falsely accusing me of disparaging P100's. The self discipline you are showing is admirable.

 

You said all "masks" are ineffective at reducing the spread of covid.

 

Feel free to provide the quote

 

You cited part of a NTYTimes article that said all "masks" were ineffective. You used the article to support the anti-mask crusade.

 

I'm surprised that you actually had the balls to post something THAT I QUOTED, and try to pass it off as something I said!

Seriously, I thought you would just wander away, but instead you decided to humiliate yourself even further.

 

You cited the article as support for your position. You picked parts of it to back up your views.

You get to wear it.

Your personal attack is noted. True Trump style stuff. You're misleading people in a totally irresponsible way in your anti-mask crusade.

 

You said it was something I said. Not only was that false, but you knew it was.

That's why it's virtually impossible to have a real discussion with you...the blatant dishonesty.

 

Nope, they were right. I think Jefferson needs to do a mea culpa. The Cochrane review was honest in that they did not have a reliable result for mask effectiveness. He was not honest in the interview, however. I'm disappointed in NYT, but I can't blame them much given Jefferson's comments. Masks in aggregate were effective, as the study I linked earlier showed. Would have been more effective if they were all N95 or better worn properly, but still, overall reduced the R value 19%.

 

You just quote people or cite their views for no reason. You were entertaining us.

I feel for you. I know how much you value your MAGA crusade.

 

Lol, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to break you, but since you live in a world of cognitive dissonance, I guess that's a risk you have to take!

 

Covid tracing indicated early on that the disease was being spread in clusters in communities, generally among family members who wouldn't have been required to wear masks around each other. Even at my work we wore them around patrons and not each other even when it was mandated we have them on at all times. I am not sure there is really any great conclusion one can reach about mask effectiveness when there were so many different face coverings being used, they were being used erratically, and the mandate didn't apply to the situations in which we were in the closest contact with other people. If they didn't work overall, so be it. At least we tried to do something. Masks were better than shutdowns.

 

~ If CDC actually wanted to "prevent the spread " they should have mandated plastic bags over the head and face.

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Or put a dunce cap on people who try to get people to treat covid as "no big deal" so we can stay away from them.

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