Faced with anti-vaccination parents, teens are helping one another get Covid shots

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From 2000 through 2019, for all vaccines combined, there were 4,300 deaths reported via VAERS. In 2021, for COVID vaccines alone, there have been 4,400 deaths reported through May, via VAERS. Link: https://buff.ly/3jLCsxj
     
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    Being anti-experimental treatment not FDA approved isn’t being anti-vaxx.
     
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    Dodging the point, no one is claiming the reports are false.

    Again for the third (?) time, a VAERS report does not mean a confirmed link between a report and the vaccine, it’s on the website! Still refusing to look at the FAQs on the website or admit you’re deliberately misinterpreting the VAERS data.
     
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    Just like smoking.
     
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    What? Smoking is reported on VAERS or you’re deliberately misinterpreting data on smoking???
     
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    I was more interested in the Pfizer reactions in this Covid round of vaccinations.
     
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    Not much of one for English eh?
     
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    Actually, it is the most exaggerated, overblown threat in human history.
     
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    So just how does smoking relate to the VAERS data since that’s what was being discussed or is this just another anti-vaxx tactics to avoid awkward facts?
     
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    Why?
     
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    When everything the American people believe is false, they will know the success of their misinformation efforts.

    Though it is clear the numbers have been manipulated from the start, let's agree that at least they follow a trend. Though the numbers themselves are grossly manipulated, I will agree that the trend lines probably parallel each other. The trendlines of the official numbers and the trend lines of the actual numbers likely parallel each other.

    The decrease in infections and deaths would also show due to natural herd immunity, and that was beginning to manifest a year ago.

    So I disagree that the vaccines work. There is so much evidence of their failure, and Bill Maher and the baseball players are but 2 examples. The term "breakout cases" or 'breakthrough', whichever it is, shows that many thousands who have received the shots have gone on to become infected, and some have died. So the efficacy of the shots is nowhere close to what the advertising brochures have said.

    This entire thing has been political from the start. That was shown by Event 201 held at Johns Hopkins.

    These are the early days of the Fall of Fauci, but there are so many other guilty players that he will be nothing but a fall guy.
     
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    What you fail to realize is that the disease you reference is a very low threat to youngsters, AND that the disease is successfully treated with HCQ and Ivermectin. Those are the facts.

    Existing US law forbids the creation of a vaccine for a disease that can be successfully treated with existing therapies. The men who wrote that policy understood the dangers of vaccines.
     
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    There are 2 classes of numbers. There is the official numbers reported by government agencies, and then there are the actual numbers which nobody really knows.
     
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    Cue Twilight Zone.
     
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    Cue denial.
     
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    This is what happens when you put an experimental drug on the market without proper testing. FDA approval takes 5 to 20 years and the last vaccine taken off the market even after FDA approval caused 25 deaths. This type of treatment has never been used before. Some of the danger here is that the Covid spike protein it creates is active, not an inactive protein like regular vaccines. The FDA says vaccinated shed the spike which is why others can possibly feel ill around someone vaccinated. This has been a boon for Pharma that could not gain traction with these treatments, mainly because they never made it out of animal testing which takes up to 2 years and was not done at all with these.

    There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical. The most vulnerable probably should try it but those that have 99.9+% survivability rate should be cautious, basically anyone under 50. Pregnant women definitely should not take it. It should not be given to children.
     
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    Don't know about Israel but the numbers here can be way off for a number of reasons. First the PCR test for cases has a large false positive rate. Second there is financial incentive to report hospitalizations and deaths due to covid. Like the guy that fell of the ladder and died, listed as a covid death.
     
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    Give it up, anti-vaxxers and CT will always deny facts and twist or misinterpret any statement as needed. Any their 'facts' are shown to be false they move onto the next thing or just completely your post.
     
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    Well...
    If you are under 65, you have a 99.959% chance of surviving an infection; 86.1% of those infected were under the age of 65.
    13.9% of infections - those aged 65+ - account for 80.1% of the total deaths.
    Thus, CV-19 presents almost zero threat to the huge majority of those known to be infected by it.
     
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    Correct - because of the presumably significant number of people who have no idea they were infected.
     
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    WAKEY! WAKEY!

    From Reuters, Europe (more than a year ago!):
    MAY 15, 20207:45 PMUPDATED A YEAR AGO - Europe sees two deaths, multiple cases of COVID-linked syndrome in children

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    From the Lancet, May 1, 2021:

    So, there is demonstrated A Risk That Children May Indeed Be Affected By The Disease - as indicated above. Thus, for any parent with a brain between both ears this message: There is sufficient reason to have the children vaccinated as a precautionary-measure ... !
     
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    NOT IMMUNE!

    Only the really dumb ones who don't know how to read and assimilate the research showing that kids do indeed have a lesser degree of affliction by the disease but they are not immune ...
     
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    Kids have fewer of the worn out parts that make older people easier prey for the virus.
     
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    The youngsters taking the shots will pay the price for their foolishness, sooner or later.

    Sooner appears to be the ascendant myocarditis reports, later will be the inability to reproduce.
     

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