Faced with anti-vaccination parents, teens are helping one another get Covid shots

Faced with anti-vaccination parents, teens are helping one another get Covid shots

This is a tough road for many people. I can't even conceptualize the idea of rejecting my child for getting (or not getting) the vaccine. It's heart-breaking.

What do you think?

 

If you're 18+ its your call and to hell with anyone else's wishes. But we recognize minors as being under the administration of their parents, at least for the most part... Because when any family issue gets hot enough government will attempt to intervene and bypass parental authority; the most common occurrence of this being abortions and birth control. Vaccine consent laws are varied. Some states are a free for all get what you want when you want no parent required. Some lower the age to 16, some allow certain vaccinations but not others, and some flat out require mom or dad being there to sign off on any vaccination.

This is a hell of a melee between individual freedom, communal responsibility, and parental rights. I think that because the greater good is in keeping the individual and the community safe then the wishes of anti-vax parents should probably take a back seat.

 

I cannot sympathize with individuals who happily inject poison into their bodies, no matter their age. Call me cruel and callous, but there is plenty of information out there regarding the dangers of these injections. Those who take it get what they deserve.

Here is an interview with a conscientious young pharmacist in New York State, a rare individual.

Interview: Listen to NY pharmacist discuss his refusal to administer experimental biological agents without informed consent - Frontline News (americasfrontlinedoctors.org)

The law demands informed consent, but few in the healthcare industry practice it. This man is an exception.

 

These anti-vax parents are doing what they think is best for their child(ren). Right, wrong or indifferent, the motivation is protecting their child(ren) from something they've concluded is more harmful than helpful or not helpful at all.

 

The parents are correct. The injections are dangerous as hell, especially for children, the survival rate of the horrid virus is 99%.

No sympathy from me for those reckless children.

 

Thanks for the link. It is an interesting article. I wonder if he has some kind of protection under the Whistleblower Act.

I usually don't call people names so no worries on that. However, I don't share your views that pain and suffering is deserved simply because someone doesn't know any better. Maybe if we could all have a little more understanding and compassion for others, even or especially if we don't agree with them, we could change the tide of negativity that ripples throughout the world.

 

IIRC, you are in your 60s or 70s? Did you have a handle on the world and make all good decisions when you were a teenager?

 

Your points are well taken. Yes of course children make mistakes. In this case, or at least some of them, they have deliberately gone against the wisdom of their parents. Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread. The reckless kids rush in where the wisdom of their parents advises the opposite.

My thought and opinions, and yours, are utterly meaningless in the scheme of things. These children have been injected with dangerous drugs. What you and I think about that is meaningless. The damage has been done. They get what they deserve.

 

Children, by definition, are reckless. That's why we keep our young with us until they can venture out into the world.

Consider this for a moment if you will.

I went to a Lutheran school in elementary school. The Principal was our minister who lived across the playground. One day, he was looking out his front window and saw two of my classmates, a boy and a girl. He watched them for a few minutes and turned away when he saw them kiss. We heard about it the next day because he was angry and, although he didn't say names, he basically castigated the girl. He would not even speak to her for the rest of the school year before our graduation.

Q: Did she "deserve" to be treated like a leper for a very small act?

My mother owned a business and was involved in networking with other business owners in the community so we were friends with the kids of the other business owners. Toward the end of high school, one of the boys and one of the girls started dating. Like us, they were both honor roll students and had been accepted at their 1st choice university and had received partial scholarships. During the middle of their Freshman year the girl got pregnant. Both sets of parents were anti-abortion and both were absolutely furious at them over this. All 4 parents decided together to make them "pay" for their mistake. The couple was forced to drop out of school and get jobs immediately. The parents would NOT help them with child care or financially. I lost touch with them but the last I knew, he was working two jobs and she was trying to go to night school while working full-time.

Q: Did they deserve to lose all of their family's emotional and financial support?

I helped a ministry develop a program for men leaving prison. The goal was to reduce recividism by providing a safe place to live, meals and job placement assistance. It was very difficult to get people of the community to understand that these men needed support and guidance. To most, they were losers and deserved nothing.

In another project, I helped on a literacy training program for female prisoners. The goal was to donate books to the women's prison for those who wanted to learn while incarcerated. Surprisingly, most people refused to participate when all we were asking is for them to donate old textbooks on various subjects.

Q: Does a previously incarcerated person deserve to be punished for the rest of their life by not being able to get jobs, housing, schooling and other things we all need to survive in society? If so, that means EVERY sentence is a death sentence.
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Of course, there are arguments on both sides of these equations. But, what I'm asking you to consider is you aren't perfect. I'm not perfect. Other human beings are not perfect. We make mistakes. Very, very few people start each day with the mindset "Let me see what I can screw up today." Most people do the best they can with what they know. So, maybe we could take a step back and remind ourselves of this when we get that urge to bang them over the head with a club.

My sincere hope is that you can read this in the spirit in which I intended - with a momentary pause to be mindful of compassion.

 

no they are not, once they have the vax, that no longer matters, kicking the kids out of the house is just being mean, non-caring

kicking them out of the house changes nothing as it can't undo the vax

 

some of these same people would think their child was old enough to have a baby, but not old enough to get a vax

 

I suspect these teenagers are wanting to get life back to normal - and they see vaccination as the way to do it. Long term consequences, we know, don't play into the decision making process for teenagers.

 

You misunderstood my post. My position in the OP is against parents rejecting their child(ren). Therefore, the post you quoted relates to them thinking they are doing the right thing in protecting their child(ren) from the vaccine.

 

oh, I thought you meant they were doing the right thing

my point is even if they thought keeping their child from getting the vax was the best choice, punishing them after the fact by kicking them out of the house did nothing to undo the vax

 

No problem. Glad we got it sorted.

 

I would wager that pre-COVID anti-vaxxers truely believed that but the anti-vaxxer moniker of today likely includes more people who just wont get it because of political reasons than because they think its dangerous.

 

LOW CHILD COVID DEATH6RATE IN AMERICA

Thanks for the "non-sequitur". In this situation of overt-deadliness of the disease, one is obliged to look after children with intelligence.

Real Parents are concerned about the well-being of their children. And when something like Covid happens, they should not take the risk that their children are unprotected.

And especially when the procedure to employ the product involves a detailed study that indicates that the children are not life-threatened should they take the medication.

People worked close to a year to develop the array of anti-Covid shots we can obtain presently. And to think that a kid does not need one is a purely human-fallacy! They happen to seem resilient - but that is no guaranty whatsoever that over time that inborn-resilience will not diminish to become ineffective.

It's tantamount to giving a child a gun and telling them to go shoot themselves!

Having said that, here below is the data showing that, so far, children are not infected crucially to a large degree. The much, much, much larger percentage presently survive.

Excerpt (from Children and COVID-19: State-Level Data Report):
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Meaning, no, there are not none ... !

 

No, no and no in answer to your questions. I strongly agree with your points. Having been raised Catholic and long ago lost my religion, I know that religious orthodoxy often delivers cruelty and hatred and poor treatment of others, especially non-believers.

I am compassionate, and I do feel pity for those youngsters, the subject of the thread. I pity them, but I am not going to pretend they have acted in a responsible manner. If the body is the place where the spirit resides while we are here, they have harmed the body.

I've had my near death experience in 2007, so I know that this life we live in the end means nothing. It doesn't matter what happens here, for what happens after death will be a beautiful transition. That said, life itself can be beautiful, and of course it can also be a living hell.

Those children have transgressed only themselves. They have not transgressed me in any way. I am not offended by what they've done. Their early deaths or poor health from the shots will not effect me. Who knows, I don't, maybe the shots will have absolutely no effect on the rest of their lives? But while we're still here on this planet, I feel no sympathy for their reckless behavior. I cannot commiserate with them, even though their absence of knowledge about the shot and abject fear from 15 months of public brainwashing explains it all. I understand what they've done, but I have no sympathy for them. Life goes on until it doesn't.

 

In the same situation, would you throw your child on the street for secretly getting the vaccine?

 

Of course not, but I would not mince any words about her disrespect for her body over a virus with a 99% survival rate.

I would call her stupid for having not done her due diligence regarding these injections. I would call her naive as hell for having fallen for such an obvious and well documented scam, but I would still love her dearly and feel so sorry for her.

 

Females are usually judged more harshly than men relative to sexuality.

Most people don't care how outrageous a religious leader is. It's all overlooked unle the person doe something like murder. Look at the fellowship toward Trump and he i not even a religious leader.

 

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My ex doesn't share any information about our two children so I don't know if they will be vaccinated or not. It just breaks my heart so many families are struggling with this decision (in either direction).

 

So, in your world, it is a non-sequitur for me to talk about parents doing what they think is best, BUT, you go on to talk about what "real parents..."? That's hilarious.

My point stands (and we actually have the same point in a way). REAL parents are doing what they think is best, NOT what you or I think is best.

 

PROVEN EFFICACY OF AN ANTI-COVID FORMULA

Parents have a responsibility to protect their children. And thinking about what is best is good but not enough as regards Covid. The most dangerous infectious killer that humans have known for more than a century.

What is paramount is that the children be protected. Here in France, they will be inoculated beginning June. (And the Covid inoculation-formula is not the same as for the adults.)

It is the outcome of specifically new serum-innovation, testing and only then production.

See here,:Published: 14 March 2021: COVID-19 pre-procedural testing strategy and early outcomes at a large tertiary care children’s hospital
Excerpt:

So, what we do every time there is a new anti-viral formula is pre-test it. When the tests show successful-and acceptable usage, only then is it employed for public-treatment of Covid.

Which is what we expect to be done once a formula has demonstrated proven efficacy - don't we ... ?