Fauci busted lying to Congress..... watch him squirm.

Don't you know everyone on forums like this are experts on every subject?

 

I quoted it in the paper’s own words and several times afterwards in my own words.

They isolated the gene sequence for the spike protein and put it into virus variants that didn’t have them.

 

He can post his bio engineering qualifications any time.

 

You are welcome.

 

You cherry picked a quote. There were no viruses in the paper that didn't have the spike protein, some of them just had an altered (bat) version that was not compatible with human infectivity. The bat version of the spike protein was then altered to test if this was a way of how human SARS-Cov could have evolved through recombination. There was no altering of human SARS-Cov, just a recovery of function of the bat spike protein, making it more human SARS-Cov like. Do you agree with this or not?

 

It’s called gain of function research. Modifying a non human virus to be infectious to humans.

 

Nope. Here's another section describing what they were doing.

Recombinant viruses with the S gene of the novel bat SARSr-CoVs and the backbone of the infectious clone of SARSr-CoV WIV1 were constructed using the reverse genetic system described previously [23] (S9 Fig). The fragments E and F were re-amplified with primer pairs (FE, 5’-AGGGCCCACCTGGCACTGGTAAGAGTCATTTTGC-3’, R-EsBsaI, 5’-ACTGGTCTCTTCGTTTAGTTATTAACTAAAATATCACTAGACACC-3’) and (F-FsBsaI, 5’-TGAGGTCTCCGAACTTATGGATTTGTTTATGAG-3’, RF, 5’-AGGTAGGCCTCTAGGGCAGCTAAC-3’), respectively. The products were named as fragment Es and Fs, which leave the spike gene coding region as an independent fragment. BsaI sites (5’-GGTCTCN|NNNN-3’) were introduced into the 3’ terminal of the Es fragment and the 5’ terminal of the Fs fragment, respectively. The spike sequence of Rs4231 was amplified with the primer pair (F-Rs4231-BsmBI, 5’-AGTCGTCTCAACGAACATGTTTATTTTCTTATTCTTTCTCACTCTCAC-3’ and R-Rs4231-BsmBI, 5’-TCACGTCTCAGTTCGTTTATGTGTAATGTAATTTGACACCCTTG-3’). The S gene sequence of Rs7327 was amplified with primer pair (F-Rs7327-BsaI, 5’-AGTGGTCTCAACGAACATGAAATTGTTAGTTTTAGTTTTTGCTAC-3’ and R-Rs7327-BsaI, 5’- TCAGGTCTCAGTTCGTTTATGTGTAATGTAATTTAACACCCTTG-3’). The fragment Es and Fs were both digested with BglI (NEB) and BsaI (NEB). The Rs4231 S gene was digested with BsmBI. The Rs7327 S gene was digested with BsaI. The other fragments and bacterial artificial chromosome (BAC) were prepared as described previously. Then the two prepared spike DNA fragments were separately inserted into BAC with Es, Fs and other fragments. The correct infectious BAC clones were screened. The chimeric viruses were rescued as described previously [23].

They created a new virus variant from isolated parts of genetics from another one, giving the manmade (recombinant, chimeric) variants an increased ability to infect humans.
Fits the definition of "gain of function" that Fauci and his group published. He's lying, and you're attempting to argue semantics and hair splitting, and failing miserably at that.

 

Increased ability of bat viruses to infect human cells is a partial recovery of human SARS-Cov function, to show that this is the mechanism of how human SARS-Cov evolved by recombination of bat viruses. There is nothing sinister about it. What is so hard to understand?

It would have been bad had they engineered human SARS-Cov to make it more infective. If that had been the case, Paul would have had a point. However, that wasn't the case.

For the ones not reading the original paper, Paul's comments sounds like Fauci deliberately funded research to make a human SARS-Cov that is more infective. However, that was just not the case. That's why a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

 

Because he was told to believe Fauci bad.

 

And here you are going back to intent. Intent has nothing to do with their definition. The claim is not that they made COVID more transmissible for sinister motives, it's whether they're playing with the genetics in any way that can increase transmissibility. And in the process of their research, the paper clearly says that they did so.

If an accidental infection happened in the Wuhan lab, the virus doesn't give a rat's ass what the intent of the research was. Part of the reason we suspended the research domestically stemmed from a small outbreak of a virus in a Georgia lab. I doubt that was intentional or sinister research, but it happened.

Critics of such work argue that it is unnecessarily dangerous and risks accidentally releasing viruses with pandemic potential — such as an engineered H5N1 influenza virus that easily spreads between ferrets breathing the same air1,2. In 2012, such concerns prompted a global group of flu researchers to halt gain-of-function experiments for a year (see Naturehttp://doi.org/wgx;2012). The debate reignited in July, after a series of lab accidents involving mishandled pathogens at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia.
https://www.nature.com/articles/514411a

You and Fauci can argue semantics all you want. And you're mischaracterizing Rand Paul's comments in the exchange. Fauci tried to move the goalposts, too, just like you're doing here.

It's not Rand Paul's definition of "gain of function" that is being used. It's Fauci's.

You claim that we disagree because you believe I can't get the gist of a paper, but you're really just arguing over intent, which is moving the goalposts. Thanks.

 

Fauci's bad for lying about it and covering it up, for sure.

 

Thanks for proving my point

 

Yes, I think Fauci is an incompetent bureaucrat that doesn't want to bear any responsibility for killing millions of people.

Arguing intent is Quantum Nerd's moving the goalposts. The facts of the matter are clear.

 

We get it...you were told to believe Fauci bad and you're being a good boy following the command.

 

So you have no factual rebuttal. Just more of the same, lol.

 

You presented literally nothing to rebut. You haven't addressed the OP or the facts about gain of function.

 

As I said before, it's all be said and debunked but you just refuse to listen. Which is more of the same from you...hahahaha

 

Couldn't agree more

 

I'm glad you recognize your own lack of substance.

Have anything about the OP itself that's relevant? If you don't think Fauci lied, make an actual case.

 

For the third time, the case has already been made to which you disagree. What would be the point for me to make the same points that you'll just disagree with? Only a moron would go through with that futile exercise.

 

None of the content of the paper has to do with the killing of millions of people, because it is on SARS-Cov, not on SARS-Cov2. However, by repeating this silly claim, you reveal your real intentions, which is not a serious academic debate about this paper, but rather to fling dirt at Fauci.

That's why Fauci was so irritated at Paul (and rightly so), because one paper, in which a recovery of function of a non-SARS-Cov2 virus was published, leads the RW to conclude that Fausci is responsible for killing 4 million people. Must be so easy to live in black and white RW world where it's all about good people and bad people, and the RW media tell you exactly who the bad people are. Nevermind that the "bad" person is a capacity in the field who has served his country for decades, being instrumental in identifying and organizing the public response to the Aids crisis, including the development of HIV protease inhibitors, which now allow Aids patient to live an almost normal life. But, he dared to cross Trump, so he must be destroyed. That's what this is really about.

 

And yet you're doing it.

 

If I'm doing it then why do you keep asking me to do it? That time of day for you when confusion sets in?

 

Beat that straw man. Rand did NOT make the claim that they were researching COV2. Just that gain of function was being researched there and funded by the US. That's what the thread's OP claims.
Maybe you should re-watch the video.

In fact, your logic here is even worse. If similar research in that lab on gain of function led to the creation of COV2, then of course a paper wouldn't be about COV2, since it had not been created yet. It's impossible for them to have been researching COV2 if they're the ones that accidentally created it, lol.

It's not a silly claim. Fauci lied about funding gain-of-research. And you're busy beating straw men and playing a failed game of semantics.

I don't care why Fauci is irritated. He should stop lying.

 

Israel awarded Fauci for his work over the years

Included was $1 Million dollars cash award

Fauci has their respect and mine