FBI: More People Killed with Hammers, Clubs Each Year Than Rifles

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  1. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wonderfu how the pop-gun fanciers think they could stand up to disciplined troops. I'd give 'em five minutes, if - as I doubt - they could find the guts actually to fight instead of posturing drunkenly,
     
  2. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    ??? I said no such thing! I said the opposite, let your congressmen know where you stand! Make sure they know you want EVERY LAST AMENDMENT in your bill of rights, even the useless one about no soldiers sleeping in your house.
     
  3. happy fun dude

    happy fun dude New Member

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    I don't.. Honestly I do not disagree with you... the second amendment may be under attack soon.
     
  4. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed, liberal politicians hand down edicts on-high meant to subdue the masses while they enjoy the freedom intended for We The People. Chucky baby does seem quite pleased with himself in the photo...
     
  5. stjames1_53

    stjames1_53 Banned

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    the attitude is still here...........1776, 1812, 1942
    pfffffffffffft.............nuff said
     
  6. creation

    creation New Member

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    LOL, its you thats the p*ss poor researcher, that incident was already over when the assistant principal came over with a gun to stop anything. In fact the guy had to run out to his own vehicle first to even get the gun.

    Why dont you know that already?
     
  7. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We The People did just that over 200 years ago. The 'disciplined troops' lost and we didn't have the weaponry available to today's American citizen.
     
  8. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    The military also didn't have the weapons they have now either...Back then citizens and military were roughly equally matched. Not so much anymore...
     
  9. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Afghanistan. Worthless real estate similar to the moon, resisted and ground down two of the largest superpowers in history.

    Yes... if you believe the military is willing to kill us all, they can. Won't be left with much in that victory... and most military members I know would not follow orders to destroy us. The goal would be to control us... and THAT we can resist with our armament.

    But you go right ahead and keep making that harder.
     
  10. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The British had superior forces, training and weapons. No way were they equally matched.
     
  11. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yeah and the gap between the military and the citizens now is astronomical. Do you think an armed citizen force literally stands a chance against a full blown military assault in todays times?
     
  12. aussiefree2ride

    aussiefree2ride New Member

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    Hypothetical question :

    If / when (****see human nature / history), a dictatorship wished to enslave the populace of a Nation, which situation would be most conducive to the purpose of the dictorship?

    A. A population well armed with firearms?

    B. A population armed with plastic knives and forks?
     
  13. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Im not disagreeing with you...I about as pro gun as you can get. Im just saying that its illogical to believe that me and the rest of my well armed buddies would stand a chance if the US Army showed up at our front door.

    I have a multitude of various types of firearms for many reasons. But protecting myself against the US military isn't one of them...
     
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    It was astronomical back then too. I think IF the American military was attempted to be used against its own citizens many would refuse to take orders and what would be the point of wiping out the very citizenry one wants to bring under tyrannical control? There are many things to consider in such a scenario other than superior armaments.

    If you were faced with a soldier at your front door aiming to kill you would you rather be armed or unarmed? Be honest please.
     
  15. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I think you guys are missing my point. I am by no means advocating disarming the citizens, you'll be hard pressed to find a bigger gun lover than me, I'm just saying that if there was a showdown between armed citizens and the US military then we don't stand a chance in hell.

    I'm in the Army, I know how our stuff works. True, most service members would deny orders to fight our own citizens but you don't need very many willing participants with the type of hardware that we have. If I went to work right now and jumped in my helicopter there is nothing any armed citizen could do to stop me from destroying my entire neighborhood and killing literally everybody unless they got a hold of a SAM site or something. And we can dodge those most of the time anyway.

    You're thinking about regular ground troops. I have all of my Army gear at my house right now. If I put on my full battle rattle and walked outside with my AR-15 then yes you stand a chance if you are armed. If I goto work and jump in my attack helicopter what exactly are you going to do about it?
     
  16. happy fun dude

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    I imagine in such a scenario, you'd get many soldiers refusing to follow orders to attack their own people (what do you do about them by the way? Force them? execute them?) but also, you'd get a lot of soldiers going rogue, suddenly and spontaneously turning their heavy firepower against the establishment that wants to kill their own countrymen, friends family and neighbors. You may have the firepower but how loyal are all the fingers on the various triggers?
     
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    never meet your enemy head on. Take a note from history and use guerrilla tactics. There's an old saying that goes something like this: Make it cost prohibitive to remain in a given area. Never surrender once you start. Be sure of your committment and the rest will come naturally.
     
  18. Nightmare515

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    Who knows? That is all speculation. We would likely see troops fighting each other, some fighting the citizens, some fighting the government, etc. But it takes a lot of cooperation to keep the military machine moving. Hardware needs fuel, ammo, maintenance, etc.

    Much of the hardware would be unavailable seeing how it takes so much cooperation from so many different units to get this stuff combat ready. If the government was going to do this hostile takeover then they would be planning along with their loyal followers to secure this stuff beforehand. I doubt they would just come out one day and say hey all soldiers report to work were about to take over America with military force.
     
  19. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    If the government wanted a military style takeover of the US then they would simply have to just kill everybody that wasn't on their side. Which they could do. There is no point in them occupying the country due to the citizens being armed to the teeth. Which is the other half of the argument and a good point.

    I guess my point is that yes our armed citizens are a deterrent from the government occupying the nation with a military presence. But if they government went nuts like that then they would probably kill everybody who didn't agree with them, something that they could do no matter how many AK-47s I have in my house.

    Yes our guns are a deterrent in that sense. But if it ever came down to it and the military wanted to come and kill you for not being on the governments side then there isn't really much our guns will do to prevent that.
     
  20. E_Pluribus_Venom

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    So true. I've often wondered why these psychos don't try mass murder sprees with hammers... they'd be much more effective because more people are killed with them vs. guns.
     
  21. Texsdrifter

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    I think that if ever came down to martial law being declared, and the military being used to police the people the America we grew up believing in, was already defeated. While I believe you are correct that citizens would stand no chance in traditional warfare. I believe you over estimate the kind of weapons that could be used in residential neigborhoods. The US has shown a inability to defeat an occupied people. The military would have to fight with at least one hand tied behind their back. IEDs and selective ambush against softer targets would be the only option of any movement to resist by citizens alone.

    HIgh capacity semi-auto weapons would be the most effective in defending your family and property from the criminals, that would take advantage of the vacuum created by the social chaos sure to happen in that situation.
     
  22. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Yeah but if the government went nuts like that then I doubt it would maintain its policy of fighting with one hand tied behind its back. They would be out to kill those who didn't agree with them not just control them.
     
  23. happy fun dude

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    Consider the more gradual approach, which may be what's happening here... We've not been careening into a police state these last ten years, but we've been steadily and inevitably moving towards it..

    Continue collating all information.. Gathering, screening, archiving, everything, like they are doing.. Voicemails, emails, etc.. More and more cameras popping up in newer and different places over the years.. Drones in the skies over the next couple of years... The WH can start expanding its areas of operations for assassinations and kidnappings.. Already it's okay to do it for citizens, just call them a terrorist first.. Spend the next decade or so from here gathering up the big kingpins, main troublemakers, like they are trying for Assange, etc.. already they seem to think organizing OWS is "terrorism".. Start putting these into your prisons now, with no trials.. Again, we already know the people are accepting towards this kind of thing, as long as you call them a terrorist, they will believe you.. Continue locking more and more up over the years, working your way down from the top down... We're not talking the military in the street doing door to door knockdowns and herding people into camps... We're just talking about knocking down a door here and there grabbing whoever is inside, and branding them a terrorist. Business as usual for everyone else. You know the same thing they're doing in other places around the world, just now domestically, like the global war on terror policies which have gradually been shifting towards the domestic front, suchas the drones, indefinite detention for citizens allowed by the NDAA etc...

    Just don't threaten the second amendment, and nobody has to get hurt.

    Eventually, that's it.. It's over. You're in charge now. Representation: over.
     
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    How about being honest enough to compare hammers with GUNS?
     
  25. tomfoo13ry

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    *shakes head* Woodham was on his way to the Junior High School to continue the rampage when the armed assistant principal stopped him. Get your facts straight before trying to correct me and next time you might not end up looking quite so ignorant.
     

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