Fight expert says that Zimmerman's scenario is bunk

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  1. flounder

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    This ''expert'' makes it sound like a Ballet, I guess he figures most people reading him have never been in a fight. One thing I do know for sure, he knows he has a certain guaranteed audience that will MORE then buy this Baloney.
     
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    Wow I see the troll alert went out.

    LOL

    As I stated before whenever someone discusses how George's story is nonsense his defenders come out of the woodwork to tell us how questioning his story is heresy and they even found their moderator buddy to help them.
     
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    Cons donated a lot of money to Zimmerman.

    They don't want to see their money go down the toilet so they must defend him no matter what he does
     
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    ROTFLMAO!!!

    Oh my what a little discussion can do to the George fanboys.

    According to George this wasn't a dynamic fight but a one-sided affair until he got his gun, aimed ( take make sure he didn't shoot his left) hand and fired directly into Trayvon's heart.

    The trajectory of the bullet which was neither left or right, nor up or down and directly perpendicular to the Trayvon's chest and directly parallel to the ground.

    There are only two scenarios that would satisfy the trajectory of the bullet if Trayvon was on the ground--Trayvon was levitating above George when George shot him or Trayvon was leaning over at a 45 degree angle and George was holding his gun at a 45 degree angle. That satisfies the angle issue but a dynamic fight at the time of the gunshot negates the -neither left nor right, nor up or down portion of the bullet trajectory. The only way that could have happened is if George was restraining Trayvon in some way and that would make what he did that night Murder 1 because Trayvon would have been trying to withdraw from the fight and George refused to allow it.

    Maybe you need to reference the walk though again. George stated that he never through a punch yet he was able to grab Trayvon's left hand/arm under his right armpit and trap it there.

    What's interesting is that the pristine condition of George's hands negate that idea that he put up a fight much less was agressive (there was no fight) View attachment 23988 View attachment 23989 View attachment 23990

    Trayvon had none of George's DNA on him. None on his hands or his clothes. Oh well I guess the DNA fairies took it all away before the ME could get samples from underneath Trayvon's fingernails.
     
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    George really didn't need their money since Angela Corey (along with her minions John Guy and Bernie), Judge Nelson and the defense with help from stealth juror B37 conspired to make sure that George would never see a day in jail.
     
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    Nope, just a couple of experienced guys who've actually had to apply what they know in real world terms. When your life is on the line you can do some amazing things and when your life is on the line nine-tenths of what you learned in a training hall scenario goes out the window. It's called reality.
     
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    Hahahahah! Judge Nelson did her level best to help the prosecution nail Zimmerman's hide to the wall. Sheesh!
     
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    He was not untrained. He went to the MMA gym three days a week and three hours a day for almost three years.

    If George never got any better why did he continue to waste his money? Because he did. Every human being gets better with practice. Will that make everyone an expert? No.

    OTOH the George fanboys and his lawyers would have everyone believe that because Trayvon mentioned fighting in one of his text messages that he was some type of MMA expert.

    If you don't find that ironic then I don't what to say.
     
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    The MMA stylists who trained with him said that he was simply no damn good at it. No, you do not get better simply by going through the motions without comprehending WHY you are supposed to be doing things a certain way. Also you can be one of those individual's whose body and mind never manage to grasp martial arts fundamentals. Pretty much all he was gaining from MMA practice was an excellent cardiovascular workout and managing to control his weight fluctuations.

    As for Martin, he simply got lucky with a sucker punch. After that instinct took over as he rode a dazed and disoriented and terrified Zimmerman to the ground. Then after things were going so well for him while pounding Zimmerman's head against the concrete walkway, things went very bad indeed for Martin. End of it for Martin.
     
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    Really?

    1) Judge Nelson wrongly denied the State's expert audio witnesses after the Frye hearing
    2) Judge Nelson held the hearing for the employee who claimed that he was wrongly terminated before the trail implying that the State with held exculpatory evidence from the defense but stopped short of making decision. She did this because she knew that potential jurors would be watching.
    3)Judge Nelson allowed the defense to violate the witness sequester after she learned that Di Mao had assisted in creating the animation video, and Donnelly had been in the courtroom during previous testimony; therefore both of their testimonies should have been stricken from the record, but Judge Nelson refused.
    4) Judge Nelson added the SYG text that was favorable to George to the jury instructions while leaving out the 'initial aggressor' portion which would have allowed the jury to convict him on manslaughter.
     
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    Nelson was the judge that told the prosecution, "Why yes, even though the defense and prosecution have officially rested their cases I will indulge the prosecution's request to include manslaughter consideration in the jury's orders." There were a host of other things she did as well to be helpful to to prosecution team. You DO KNOW that anyone can look this stuff up, right? You do know that a host of legal experts got angry at this judge and listed in detail how she skirted near the edge of what was allowable in helping the prosecution, yes?
     
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    Oh please. Everyone of those defense witnesses lied for George.

    I wouldn't invest too much a future convict like Adam Pollack who likes threaten women with assault:

    ADAM POLLOCK UPDATE: WITNESS IN ZIMMERMAN TRIAL THREATENED TO CUT OFF WOMAN'S FINGERS, TOES, ARREST REPORT ALLEGES

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/adam-po...ff-womans-fingers-toes-arrest-report-alleges/
     
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    Allowing the State to include lesser charges in the jury instructions is common practice.

    Since you have all of these examples of Judge Nelson helping the prosecution handy please supply them.
     
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    Why would they ALL lie for a brown man?
     
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    Ta -- bloody -- da!
    You know, some of us actually paid attention during this trial.
     
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    Two peas in a pod!

    They both think they can push women around and play "tough guy," but they are both cowards and liars!
     
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    So you are saying that the prosecution team were collectively so stupid and so incompetent that they never thought to check with -- oh -- any one of several dozen of people who also trained with Zimmerman. Wow! Have any of you ever really even set foot inside a jodang, dojo, kwan, or MMA style training hall or gym?
     
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    As I stated before, I believe that the prosecution threw the case. They didn't bring a LOT of evidence that would have made a difference. THEY should have been the ones getting on the floor with an MMA fighter over them. . .and demonstrate how it was impossible for Zimmerman to reach under his shirt, under his jacket, under the belt of his pants, to the BACK of his hip (while he was "pinned" to the ground by a 158 lbs attacker) and shoot STRAIGHT FRONT TO BACK into the heart of his "attacker."

    Unless Zimmerman was double jointed. . .unless the kid had RAISED away from Zimmerman, there is NO WAY he would have been able to grab his gun in the MMA position, with the knees of the kid at the level of Zimmerman's waist. . .ABOVE where his gun was concealed! And there is NO WAY the kid could have seen the gun when "zimmerman shirt lifted" because the gun was NOT under the shirt, but inside his waistband. . .to the BACK of his hipbone. . .and, as EVERY witness testified. . .IT WAS EXTREMELY DARK!
     
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    Sigh! The prosecution did not throw the case. What would be in it for them to do so, especially since Barack Obama himself wanted to see Zimmerman hang? It would have made their freaking careers. The prosecution team lost because there was no case to win. That was why -- before their careers were ruined by rabid race baiters -- the Florida police officials and legal system experts DID NOT WANT to take this to court. They already knew that it was a clear cut and open and shut case of justifiable self-defense.
     
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    That's the best you can do compared to every favorable ruling for the defense I posted?

    You think she was being mean to George because she asked him if he were going to testify?

    Ba wa wa wa!!

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