Fight expert says that Zimmerman's scenario is bunk

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  1. Roderick2013

    Roderick2013 Banned

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    Now you're playing the race card?

    George's father isn't brown he's white and obviously has a lot of influence.
     
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    A retired magistrate has a lot of influence? More than say -- the racist President of the United States of America? Really? Sweet!

    By the way; as one of those quasi-mythical Brown White-Men recently discovered by leftwingers I am automatically EVIL and so of course I will play the Race Card at a whim. What else could you expect from a White Brown-man?
     
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    With George getting slaps on the wrist for assaulting an undercover police officer someone somewhere pulled some serious strings.

    Let a black male do the same thing and see where he ends up.

    Wow. You want to bring President Obama into this and you want to be taken seriously?

    Obama is racist?

    Is Obama racist against his black half or his white half?

    Pathetic!!
     
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    "Oh the world isn't how I want it to be! String pullers pulled strings!" Or maybe there simply was no case. Hmmmm . . . what a concept! Obama did not say that "George could have been my half brother." No he interjected himself in a civilian legal matter and did his very best to prejudice the case and poison the jury pool by saying, "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon." He is a racist. He created the first ever need for a Beer Summit because his racist attitude ran his mouth. Obama is a racist . . . and in that regard he perfectly reflects the attitudes and mindset of today's typical leftwinger. Nice!
     
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    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I expressed my opinion, and I feel there are enough indications (including the statements made later by the coroner who testified during trial) that the prosecution had no intention of showing Zimmerman's guilt without leaving room for "reasonable doubt."

    What ever your opinion is. . .you are welcome to keep it.

    I know what I believe and the reasons why. Enough.
     
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    I don't care if George is green with blue polka dots. . .he has always identified as a WHITE HISPANIC. . .NOT a Brown anything!

    And, I also do not care if you are blue with pink polka dots. . .you continue to play the race card, you insult your President by calling him a racist, and you make no sense.

    ANY ADULT MAN. . .of ANY color/race/ethnicity that follows a kid in the dark because he "thinks" he is "acting suspicious" by "walking leisurely in the rain" and end up killing the unarmed teenager after a struggle and a punch on the nose is a complete loser and is dangerous to society.

    There are idiots and racists in every walks of life. You decide where you fit. . .NO ONE Is assigning you to a "group," unless you insist in making racist comments.
     
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    Excellent post, Flounder..... you couldn't have explained it better.
     
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    Cons tend to accuse most black people in high positions of power of being racist.

    It's a defense mechanism.

    Obama racist, Eric holder racist. They are all racist and hate "whitey" as they call it. Lol, the brain farts these losers had in 2008 and again in 2012 is unprecedented.
     
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    It's debating. that is why you posted this story right? This type of defense did not hang Zimmerman then, wont now. The reason is, it is just another [one of the hundred] scenarios.
    There is no Ah-ha moment here, just this fellows opinion. This was the problem with the Travon case from the start, maybe this, maybe that. The jury skipped through the ''could have'' and went with what they had. One guy beat up, the other not. One man with injuries, the other not.
    It really was a fairly easy case, till the media ''tried it''
     
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    How can I insult my president when I have no president? I did not vote for Barack Obama. He represents almost none of my values and is -- via his actions -- opposed to most of what I hold dear. He is merely the chief executive of a democratic republic and not a king. I did not take an oath of loyalty to him. I am insulting your president instead, and I am having a pleasurable time doing so.

    As for race, leftwingers live for race. It seems to be all they think about at the end of the day. Leftwingers were the ones who reclassified me so that one day I was a despised minority and the next a member of the hated majority . . . yet not accepted by the majority as one of them. Nice! So since leftwingers wallow in racism you have to dip your toe in that pool on occasion even to reach them. It's a dirty task but well worth it to watch their eyes bug from their skulls every once in a while.
     
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    That's an excellent assessment when you get right down to it. The available facts and reports supported Zimmerman's 'official' statements enough that the jury decided -- based on the rule of law rather than emotion -- that they had to find him 'not guilty' on all counts. This was an impressive display of the justice system working since the entire and formidable weight of both the mainstream media (on the whole, anyway) and the Executive Branch "If I had a son he would look like . . ." were against it working along normally established lines of presented and weighed and evaluated evidence and testimony.

    As for experts on hand-to-hand struggles who want to Monday morning quarterback the event, one notes that the 'theory' was not presented by anyone who can state, "Yes, I have actually had to defend myself while wearing bulky and wet protective clothing on a rainy night when isolated with just the other fellow while on my back on concrete." It makes a difference and it is the difference between perfect and scripted training hall scenarios -- between equally trained individuals conditioned to doing everything by their particular system's 'rules' -- and street reality in which anything can happen between people of different levels of training who are struggling in a life or death scenario and therefore in which anything goes.
     
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    Any other two guys involved and this thing would have ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiped right through. The Monday morning quarter backing is indicative of the entire case,,,Profit and Race. I doubt they have ''wrung'' every drop of profit out of it yet, and the race baiting value a plethora of wealth...

    I'm afraid we will be stuck with it for some time.........
     
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    You haven’t debated a single point that the expert made. You’ve only made generalized insults as to why he’s wrong. Nothing objective or of substance.
    He is not giving any scenario. He is analyzing the scenario that George claimed occurred that night and he debunked it piece by piece.

    There are so many ah-ha moments in this entire case that it’s unbelievable that anyone with half a brain would believe George was innocent, but you’ve stated on many occasions that nothing George did that night would make you believe he was guilty of anything even bad judgment.

    The jury's job is to do 'the could have scenarios' especially in cases like these where there is only one survivor and he has every reason to lie--save himself from a very long jail term.

    How do you know how George got those injuries? Just because he said so?

    Plus those injuries aren’t even close to the serverity of the beating that George claims he received that night. Besides Trayvon had no marks on his hands expect the scratch inside his left ring finger.

    No, it’s never simple when an unarmed teenager is walking back home and he’s gunned down for no sane reason.
     
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    Obama was trying to comfort Sybrina and Tracy on their loss. Maybe you should have heard the rest of his speech, but you wingers decided to close your ears when he said that if he had been Trayvon's parents he would have wanted an investigation also.

    It's funny that you call someone racist when you point out that a bunch of white people lied for a white Hispanic (George Zimmerman).
     
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    Oh bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Obama was gearing up to run for re-election and he could not risk ticking off leftwing supporters who had already worked themselves up into a foam at the brain pan RACIST frenzy over the Zimmerman versus Martin issue. He . . . played . . . the . . . race . . . card.

    Who lied for Brown Hispanic George Zimmerman? They were the president of the United States of America who ETHICALLY should have remained race neutral on this issue or at least follow up the, "Trayvon could have been my son," statement with, "and by bloodline ratio mix Brown-Hispanic George could have been my half brother and so I am going to stay the hell out of this toxic issue." But he played the race card instead.
     
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    I'm not going to argue with you because you are obviously an Obama hater and therefore irrational.

    You have your own reality and nothing will change that, but whatever.
     
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    This case, is now over. A jury of your peers listened to the evidence and did not find Zimmerman guilty. It really is time to just accept that. That truly is reality and it appears some are struggling with that.
     
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    Just like the reality is that George Zimmerman has been involved in two domestic dispute incidents since he was acquitted and will have to go to court on January 7, 2014.

    Some people struggle with that reality. Deal with it!!
     
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    I will not debate his findings,,most are his own opinion and there are other experts who would disagree, they had their chance in court already. They went over the injuries very closely,,again opinion.
    I think the prosecution has half a brain,,,they failed. They had no ah-ha moments either,,everybody was waiting,,remember?

    I do not fault you for being interested,,that's cool. I just think that expert is trying to keep something alive that's dead, and for obvious reasons.
     
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    He's consistent,,I'll give him that......LOL
     
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    I really dont understand, is someone saying these incidents didn't happen? The argument you are trying to bring forth would be considerably powerful if they were not domestic incidents with women he is involved with. Had these incidents been with black teens I really think you would have a point, but in reality, a wife is going to lose her crap if her husband is palling around with some big titted blonde, I mean its not exactly shocking.
     
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    WTH are you talking about?

    The most recent event George had was with his big breasted girlfriend.

    The second domestic incident in two months.

    That's not counting the stops by the cops.

    Let's see George was stopped for speeding in TX. Stopped in FL for driving for his window tinting being too dark and his license plate being obscured, and at the end of October he ran a stop light or stop sign.

    It looks as if your boy is unravelling all by himself.
     
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    If it's dead as you say why are you so threatened by it.

    No one actually discussed George's scenario of events that night. Only that the gym owner lied when he said that George was soft and he didn't know how to fight.

    It's funny how you guys like to order other people around and attempt to control them.

    But most racists are authoritarians because they believe they know what's best for other people.

    The State threw the case. It was obvious when Angela Corey held her news conference after the killer got off. She was smiling ear to ear.

    Who the hell smiles when she loses the most publicized case of her lifetime and the verdict proved her critics correct that she overcharged Zimmerman?

    Oh I forgot she was the handpicked by corrupt Governor Rick Scott to do his dirty work. I wonder what her reward was.
     
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    Well, we both loath Angela Corey, so at least we can agree on something huh?
     
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    Who cares if he was found not guilty? People can still discuss the case if they want.

    OJ was found not guilty in 1995 and conservatives to this day can't get over that verdict, yet they criticize others who choose to discuss Zimmerman. How hypocritical.
     
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