Florida bill would give DeSantis more power over state universities and ban gender studies

Islamophobic much?

 

Another “stop noticing what we’re doing” post. So you think it’s OK for 5 year olds to be taught about homosexual sex behind their parents backs? Why do Trans folks NEED to talk to young kids about sex and if you defend them, why? And why do they need to perform for kids? Why should adults be so obsessed over performing in front of children, using acts that aren’t appropriate for them?

And when people notice you point at those NOTICING instead of the depraved people getting off on it. Why? What is your stake?

 

This is just plain perverted.

Having a story for 5yos about a family headed by a man and a woman is NOT TEACHIING THE KIDS ABOUT SEX.

And, having the same story with parents who are both female or both male is also not doing so, either.

All you are trying for is language games, throwing in your grossly perverted ideas.

 

Most gender studies courses vilify and slander males as a birth group. It is great that Governor Ron DeSantis is banning Hate Speech.

 

that actually has **** all to do with gender. Gender is a social construct and it is an identity so essentially it's nothing OBGYN would be a medical practitioner in that they do with biology not brain dead naval gazing.

No actually he's supporting academic freedom as gender studies has nothing to do with academia. One can say it's a branch of philosophy but there's already philosophy class and aside from being a philosophy professor it's useless

 

that's not really what we're talking about though is it? Those kids know better than any teacher and any author that their home life is different. They have to live it and no matter what you can't change that.

What would be best for them is between them and their parents they learn that it's not something that's in their control and it's not something they can help and anybody that picks on you for it is just doing so because they don't understand this will go a lot farther than any teacher getting off on expressing this to kids.

nobody's saying they can't read those stories and chances are if they have the same sex parents their parents already bought them those books.

Well the whole point in reading this to a class of children isn't to help the child with two parents of the same sex it's to tell the other kids that it's okay that's so it's about indoctrination and that's what people are upset about there's no need to do it. No matter what you do kids are going to bully each other and kids are going to tease and torment one another it's part of growing up. Learning how to deal with this is an important thing to learn as a child because you don't want to learn it as an adult. When it comes down to it you're going to have to learn it one way or another.

 

I'm glad to see you are willing to support parents in the home lives they have built - whether LGBTQ, single parents, or whatever.

No, they ARE saying they cant read these stories. And, the point is that we need a society where we are all at least marginally educated.

It's like forming a school and deciding that all the characters in ALL the material from math to civics to history may be populated with white characters only.

And, yes!! It absolutely IS fully acceptable in our society that we have those who are LGBTQ!

Without students fully knowing that, we're creating a whole new generation of bullies who then populate congress and legislate that citizens who happen to be LGBTQ deserve discrimination - bullying.

Where the heck do YOU think kids are supposed to learn that?

 

they don't live in a vacuum and neither do the kids they socialize with. Same sex marriages may be respectfully tolerated but they are not the norm and will never be accepted as such.

 

Who said anything about anyone???

 

But neither should we vilify them

 

We grew up following David Bowie, Freddie Mercury, Marilyn Manson to name a few

Did it turn you gay?

 

I am LGBT so it would be a little weird if I didn't support us having a home life.

no they aren't you can buy books outside of school did you know that?

who's saying people can't be educated why is the sum total of all education dependent on whether or not you can read LGBT books in elementary school what does it have to do with math or language arts or philosophy or science because I'm thinking nothing at all whatsoever.

how is it like that explain?

forbidding sexually explicit material for children which is what I understand they're doing has nothing to do with that.

I would argue desperately trying to expose and indoctrinate kids into this philosophy as hard and as fast as you possibly can without giving them room to develop their own thoughts is what makes bullies who will then populate Congress and legislate citizens who happen to be LGBT. The more this gets pushed the less accepting people are of it. They're going to get sucked into it and victimized to buy it we've already seen this happen. I'm a gay man and I'm in my forties we spent all of the time up until now trying to convince people that we weren't after their children and you just go after them in our name you're hurting us.

You aren't helping.

People need to be left alone to discover this and learn about it on their own you can't teach everything in school

Where did they learn just about everything else life. School is to teach history mathematics and reading and writing they can't do that they're failing miserably at that because they're stuck trying to be social engineers that they cannot be.

When I came out of the closet people learned about gay stuff from me. And I was a better teacher of these things than anybody in grade school. Because they already knew me they already loved me they already cared about me that's what living out is all about what do you think we do it for?

 

These nazis are disgusting and pig ignorant.

 

I was known to wear bell-bottom pants with six-inch platform shoes.

 

Thought is not a waste of time..

 

The issue isn't about "norm".

It's about American citizens being respected in the manner called for by the Catholic Pope.

Our human society includes families of various constructions. That is who we are.

Attempting to augment or perpetuate discrimination by refusing to recognize who we are is NOT acceptable.

 

The issue in this thread is what we teach in primary and secondary education.

So, you have to consider that to be the context, as I don't want to have to say all that in every paragraph.

I has nothing to do with sexually explicit material.

At the primary level, the issue is about whether you can have a math text that happens to use an example in which there are two mommies. Etc.

LGBT is not a philosophy. Noting in education that two mommies, two daddies, single parent families, adopted kids, etc., are perfectly legitimate situations is not indoctrination. After all, those are exactly who American citizens are - a broad collection.

You have a fairly narrow view of education. I'm happy for you and I believe you have stuff to teach me.

Our society, human rights, our American rights, our constitution, our economy and how it works, history, the sciences - the list goes on. Obviously, it can not all be covered in depth, but let's not forget that a significant number of Americans get no education beyond high school.

Also, let's remember that even in corporations working on technology, the largest reason for firing is NOT inability to handle the technology, but the inability to work together in groups.

I have friends that were out and friends who are not out.

The one who was not out committed suicide. I won't forget that tragedy.

 

We aren't talking about thought. You can think about nonsense without having a professor. Take for instance all the crazy crap people think up with regard to star wars. We don't need a star wars study class and that's something that actually exists as a fiction.

So think all you want and crazy crap just don't expect that it be funded by the state.

 

If there is an interest in the idea a college is a place to learn even if you think it is useless, the cost is paid by those that attend.

 

https://seedscientific.com/how-many-genders-are-there-according-to-science/

 

Your claim didn't make sense of you can't explain it that means you can't make sense of it either and you just blurted out some thought you had.

Insted if getting butthurt over me questioning your nonsense, explain if you can. I won't hold my breath.

What does because as I understand it this is about gender studies in state uni.

The only point in doing that is to bring it up in math so you can have a culture war. People say keep your silly little war the hell out of schools.

So explain why you need to have this battle?

A school trying to dictate what is or isn't legitimate culturally is exactly what indoctrination is.

That's absolutely not the schools place any more that it is to tell students to worship Jesus.

Yes I do. Education should be about educating but socially engineering

When you let the government dictate what is or isn't legitimate you get lemmings.

All the more reason for the government to quit ****ing around with social engineering and get back to educating.

That's total bullshit. Thinks like job training, skill building cannot be taught in school. That is education it's just not formal education. I think it's more important. If you wasted 120K getting some formal education but aren't even qualified to flip burgers that person is an idiot.

being fired will teach a person way more than all the college in the world.

People learn from failing but from never being challenged.

that person's reason for not coming out was within them. We all felt that way. But confronting those feelings and learning to accept ones self for who they are is the only way to beat that. I'm sorry you lost your friend but it wasn't because other people didn't accept him it's because he didn't accept himself.

 

Sure but we're talking about state university. The only reason to have a class they rather than anywhere else is to have state funding.

Teach this crap at a hotel or a coffee shop. If it's something people want they will pay for it.

But no we got to teach it in college so they can get State funding and so people can pretend that it's more legitimate than it is.

It needs to be in college to legitimize it. It's kind of like why they need queer books in elementary schools so that the kids will see an authority telling them something and believe it.

Make no mistake this isn't about freedom or the right to pursue whatever you want because you could at any time you didn't need a college course for it. This is about having an authority say something that's profoundly stupid

 

Gender is nothing.

 

SCIENCE disagrees with you

 

Define it then