Florida bill would give DeSantis more power over state universities and ban gender studies

This isn't about university studies. It's about k-12. And, what is being eliminated in FL is right down to showing math examples which include two mommies - because they see THAT as sex training.

I want to live in a society where we are all treated as equals as the fundamental starting point.

You can call anything "indoctrination". You can call math class indoctrination.

Suggesting that having a picture of two mommies doing an normal activity is "sexual indoctrination" is absolute and total BS.

Seeing each other as equals as the fundamental starting point has nothing to do with being lemmings. It has to do with what we claim to be and what we stand for as stated in our founding documents.

The other way around is where store owners can deny entry, because they took a glance and determined you were black or Hindu or LGBTQ or had some other characteristic that they hate so much that they can't sell medicine or groceries or a place to stay for the night, and where they bring up their kids to be bastards at school - like that kid in Canada who finally was such a bastard that he got himself kicked out of school.

My fried was terrified of facing the abject hate he had experienced in school and beyond.

Today, the suicides of school age girls is LARGE because of the hate and sex related abuse they get.

This is NOT fun and games. This is NOT where we say, well, those girls just failed, so tough luck.

 

The DeSantis direction on history, gender, etc. is about K-12 as well as any university.

I have no idea what your "teach this crap at a hotel or coffee shop" is about.

That has NEVER had anything to do with our education system, and our education system IS what we rely on.

 

if they are stupid, no one will take them, thus they will stop offering them - no DeSantis book burnings needed

 

the only thing in grade 1-6 that should be talked about is if a group is being bullied, they may have a discussion on bulling and how it will not be tolerated in their school

politically divisive topics like this should not be taught in grade school, kids are too young...

 

Yes social engineering is being removed. It should have never been there in the first place.

And they see it as what it is, social engineering.

And you are facing some social injustice by but seeing queers in math books? Give me a break.

but mathematics are skills people need in life. The government dictating what is or isn't legitimate is something nobody ever needs in any life.

The only reason you'd distract from math for woke virtue signaling is indoctrination. What does a relationship between two people have to do with math?

This isn't something that can be taught by an incompetent government especially when they are killing people elsewhere just as hard and fast as they can.

Let's leave morality to people who have at least some grasp on it. And not the degenerate slime in government.

Being dictated morality by a government devoid of it? Absolute bullshit. That's the crap that caused us to fight the revolutionary war.

Nowhere in the founding documents died it say we the people must be dictated morality by a corrupt murderous government.

I don't care that you want to LARP as a civil rights activists and pretend it's 1964. But I'm not part of that. And I won't play that game.

Not having gay people in math books talk about how gay they were didn't lead to segregation. The reason I know this is I didn't have gay people in math books talking about how gay they were and we haven't reverted to segregating.

You're moral panic is unfounded.

I was too as we many gay people. Having that fear made me stronger. And it would have for your friend. I'm sorry he didn't get the chance to see that.

Of course not. Sexual abuse is a traumatic thing. Happens to boys to you know. There isn't a lot the education system can do in a lot of cases they make it worse.

The government isn't some benevolent God it is a necessary evil.

It most certainly isn't a moral authority.

 

Gender is nothing teaching about it is like teaching about flat Earth or creationism.

If people wanted to learn about it they would. They don't this isn't about learning is about using the government to dictate morality. It's the worst thing in the planet to teach that.

It's broken and failing at everything. It's time to do something to fix it.

The people forcing it not to teach morality is a good step toward fixing it

 

Well much of science is theoretical, and I guess it would keep students from having to learn that pesky Pythagorean theorem in math.

Hopefully the bill fails and if it doesn't, hopefully the courts behead it at sunrise in the town square for being overly broad and vague. I am all for states to have some control over their curriculum, but to actually ban things this way dumbs down college to middle school intellectual levels.

 

One wonders how they reconcile polygamy and polyandry (although that is rarer)

 

depends on if they have an (R) or a (D) behind their name, as they had no issues with Trump

 

Utah is pretty deeply red. If the Dems started suggesting that these band also included polygamy….

 

Good.

The state should make sure that tax payer funded colleges are not offering courses that people will never be able to use in the real world.

 

They'll have to stop any courses involving electricity, as it's all based on an unproven theory......
Or any religious study courses.
They won't apply it as stated, they'll pick and choose with a board appointed by Desantis.
That's the problem, it's legislated discrimination.

 

THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS: Higher Education Reform in Florida: Some of the proposals pose real threats to free inquiry.

Some concerns that if passed in its current form it could result in political litmus tests, when the point was to eliminate political litmus tests.

 

I thought we were commenting about the effect it does or doesn't have on children. Nobody is denying that families are structured differently.

 

Nor glorified.

 

It's because people recognize who you are that some choose to disassociate themselves. Laws can dictate tolerance but not inclusion. Inclusion is a choice

 

https://seedscientific.com/how-many-genders-are-there-according-to-science/

 

It is a denial of how families are structured if only one type of family is ever depicted throughout k-12 material.

Having primary school readers, visual examples of math problems, etc., etc., show all families to be headed by white upper class heterosexual parents is a denial of our American society, and teaches principles that are just not acceptable.

 

That's a totally backwards idea.

When the law is to demonstrate exclusivity, bigotry becomes the norm.

 

It's the real world.

 

Yes, we absolutely CAN make the world a worse place.

But, I'm interested in making this world a better place, especially when it is FREE to do so.

 

The real world needs those educated in everything that universities offer.

Plus, universities work to improve ones ability to learn, applicable to any topic. The highest award in education is the PhD, and in the sciences and science related fields, that requires demonstration of the ability of the individual to advance human knowledge.

This is the target for high schools as well. Let's remember that high school can for some be the last point of contact with education. We need Americans versed in history, civics, sociology, art, math, etc., etc. They all lead to the advancement of America.

 

Conspiracy theory websites in made up etiology that you find on the west is not defining anything.

Define it in your own words please if you can I won't hold my breath.