Fmr CIA Director Rages At Trump, "You Fool, You Fool"

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    As well Hayden was one of the signatories to the letter from dozens of former intelligence officials attesting to Hunters laptop having the appearance of Russian propaganda, though the FBI had already authenticated the laptop as belonging to Hunter.
     
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    The signers of the letter were not briefed on the FBI's forensic authentication and, in any case, Hunter's ownership would not necessarily have precluded Russian involvement.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course anything which disagrees with your narrative is always "fake" and you support your claim with the "if you look at my street......" lines. Pew is a solid polling service and the results are what they are.
     
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    Off topic but what are your thoughts on the differences between the way the Steele Dossier and Biden laptop were handled. It seems to me that Trump was presumed guilty and the Bidens (plural intended) were presumed innocent. This is of course ironic because the Steele Dossier was a fabrication and the Biden laptop was authentic. The Dossier affected the 2016 election although Trump won and some polls show that suppression of the laptop authentication and story also affected the 2020 election and might have resulted in Biden losing.
     
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    Whatever it takes you to rationalize your views
     
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    As intended by the FBI. Under the Obama administration, the Trump administration and now under Biden.
     
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    Yes I've seen that quote throughout the internet. Your KGB LT COL must get around.

    But yes, I asked a question. What are those "hallmarks" of Russian disinformation that incorrectly made you conclude that the Hunter laptop was disinformation?
     
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    I don't know whether the Steele dossier was a fabrication in its entirety -- it was sloppy, unvetted and sometimes false work at the very least.
    The difference between the two episodes, IMHO, is rooted in the outlandish, ignorant and unprincipled behavior and statements of DJT. It is much easier to believe the worst about him than it is to believe something besides mental incapacity about Biden.
     
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    Forty years in the business.
     
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    If you've seen that quote then you've been following me because it was said in private.
    I didn't conclude anything about Hunter's laptop. I simply took note of the letter.
     
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    We now know from the Russian source of the dossier that it was both bar room gossip and information fed to the Russian source by Hillary's attorneys at Perkins Coi. And from Biden we know the FBI came to the Obama white house and met with Obama, Biden and others, "asking for an investigation". Launching the crossfire Hurricane Investigation, illegal FISA warrants to spy on the Trump administration and launching the $80 million Mueller investigation. Steele Dossier, the Alpha Bank conspiracy, the Trump Tower meeting and the Russians hacked and leaked the DNC emails was all a script written by Hillary's attorneys at Perkins Coi, carried out by their contractors at Fusion GPS and Crowd Strike.

    And we now know that Hunters laptop and contents has been confirmed as authentic by comparing it to a copy of the same on Apple's cloud backup. We know the FBI had possession of it in 2019. We know the FBI and IRS agents investigating Hunter were prevented from accessing the data on it. We now know the FBI had possession of 2 different confidential informant reports of Burisma's bribery of Biden, confirmed by the laptop.
    AND WE KNOW the FBI sat on all of this as Trump was impeached for suggesting Ukraine should investigate bribery of Biden by Burisma.
     
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    We know now that the Steele dossier was complete fiction. That should have been very obvious to the crack investigative teams at the FBI and CIA.

    As well it should have been obvious again to the crack investigative teams at the FBI and CIA that the laptop was authentic and the contents should have been made available to the public just as the Steele Dossier was.

    It seems obvious that the leadership at both FBI and CIA were out to "Get Trump" and protect Biden. How did Biden make all his money??
     
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    Your narrative leaves out Steele himself.
    I agree the Trump impeachment was misguided, but that's a separate issue.
     
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    So what involvement of the Russians, that you cant yet preclude, do you imagine with Hunters laptop?
     
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    Again, I doubt seriously that the Steele dossier was "complete" fiction, but I have no trouble dismissing it as an unserious product.
    AFAIK, the CIA had no role in assessing Hunter's laptop.
     
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    The laptop was out of circulation for a while before came to the FBI's attention. The possibility exists that the Russians gained access to it in that interval.
     
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    Steele is just one of many paid with Hillary for President dollars. I gave him his authorship of the "Steele Dossier". Was there some facts about Steele missed in my "narrative" that would be relevant?


    ??? No, it is the same issue continued following the failure of Mueller to produce anything on Trump. The same deep state corruption that continues regardless of who is in the White House.
     
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    You are probably right on CIA involvement in assessing the laptop bur former CIA directors Morell and Brennan were convinced that it was a Russian fake and signed the letter.
     
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    Hayden probably still thinks he is a Weapon of Mass Destruction. ;-)

    NEWSWEEK, Michael Hayden Played Right Up to the Edge of Legality—and Then Took a Big Leap Off
    In his new memoir, the former director of the NSA and the CIA shows how his many failures were followed, one after the next, by promotions.
    JAMES BAMFORD, June 1, 2016.
    Michael Hayden Played Right Up to the Edge of Legality— ...
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    The Nation
    https://www.thenation.com › Article
    Jun 1, 2016 — ... blunder of all time. But Hayden was up to the challenge. Despite having the largest intelligence organization in the history of the world ...
    https://www.thenation.com/article/a...dge-of-legality-and-then-took-a-big-leap-off/

    The Left used to know more about him.
     
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    "Gained access" and then what?
     
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    BS,
    Dang! I forgot that one. Thanks.
     
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    Oohh I bet all that raging hurt Trump’s feewings.
     
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    No you determined that it did have the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. Therefore you should have some idea what those were.
     
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    And yet it was a staffer on the Hillary campaign that started the entire birtherism thing.

    It would have been extremely easy to clear up from the beginning.

    If I need to replace my ID I have to go down to the department of motor vehicles with a birth certificate, amongst other documents...

    Like most people I keep the title to my vehicles and things like my birth certificate in a safe location, I know where they are at all times.

    It makes absolutely zero sense that you can win the nomination for a party to run for president with less documentation than it takes for a citizen to go and replace an ID.

    It would have been so very simple to clear that up before he even got the nomination.
     
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    Well, technically it was Obama's publisher who first stated he was "born in Kenya"

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