do you feel the same way about this so called fate of euro Americans in America? That they too will be removed by Mexicans, just an enquiring thought
Simon Wiesenthal Center does not believe any more Israel should "give a State" to the Nazi-inspired terror gang. Too little, too late.
Baloney... there is such a thing called <khushan> this is an Ottoman registration paper especially for Real Estate [Land ownership]... the majority cannot produce such a paper... although Ottoman but recognized by Israel... we do not want B'tselem or Peace now to give us a lesson. Israel has let 150,000 people (Arabs) that could produce such a document... What they did with that was their right to sell or stay on the land. Because of that a substantial amount favored a compensation. Your holier than thou attitude is becoming significant... but I won't say anything now.
Arabs are very emotional... I was born amongst them... And we were promised death by professionals. So his words are like a drop of water on a hot tin roof.
It has been described to you pretty much in full above. If you go to the link you can get more details. This land does not belong to you and you will never keep it.
Well, I do agree with the title: "For Israel, Two-State is No Solution". We have all been witnesses to the inhumanly activity of Palestinians (of course, not all of them, but a few which are very influential). Giving those entities/organizations/personas who have the power and control of the Palestinian community, would cause just more problems, to the Israelis, to the Palestinians, to all of the Middle Western Region. More power to those jeopardizing entities - more potential for bigger terror operations - more problems to the homeland and to the whole world - more people will die - more hate will develop among Israeli nation. I do suggest that we can't just wipe off the Palestinians from Israel, but I don't think it's possible to pull down the barrel from their temples, because releasing the leash off the Palestinians will cause only to more terrorism. They must be under the control of Israeli government, anyhow, like it or not.
You talk as if the Palestinians are a community of children, which as beneficial overlords the Israelis must look after. Your talk is so reminiscent of earlier colonialists. No doubt in the coming years we shall hear tales of "the noble Palestinian" and "the Israelis burden" So kind of you not to "just wipe them out"
Is this a threat or a promise? If it is neither, I might surprise you by stating one of the Roman Sayings : Stand erect or will be made to stand erect. As practically everyone knows here I am for <TRANSFER> of non Israeli Arabs!
Shades of Nazi Germany based upon lies. Let's get some of the facts straight. The Palestinians (including Hamas in principle) have already agreed to abide by the conditions of UNSC Resolution 242. If Israel will withdraw it's "armed forces from territories occupied" in 1967 the Palestinians have agreed to the "termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State (Israel) in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force." Additionally, also in complaince with the conditions of UNSC Resolution 242, the Palestinians have proposed having a neutral military force (they've suggested NATO as opposed to candy-ass UN Peacekeepers) occupying of a buffer zone between the Israeli and Palestinian to ensure that there are no acts of aggression between the two nations. This will prevent both military aggression as well as ending the potential terrorist threat. The Palestinians have expressed a sincere desire for a lasting peace with Israel contingent exclusively upon implementing the conditions of UNSC Resolution 242 and Hamas has also agreed to this in principle. They've also dropped two fundamental issues of prior dispute in the hopes that after establishing a lasting peace with Israel they can be addressed in the future. The "Right of Return" and the "Compensation for private property seized by Israel" in 1948. If Israel wants a lasting peace with the Palestinians and Hamas it knows what is required. All it has to do is to agree to withdraw it's military from the West Bank and E Jerusalem in accordance with UNSC 242. All of the security requirements for ensuring the territorial integrity and the right to live in pease for both Israel and Palestine are included in the Palestinian proposals. The only thing preventing a lasting peace is the refusal of Israel to (*)(*)(*)(*) of the territories that don't belong to it. Israel, not the Palestinians, are preventing a lasting peace today. Israel is continuing to "double-down" on the very reason it invaded Egypt, Jordan, and Syria which was never about self-defense and was always about the acquisition of the territory that belonged to the Palestinians.
Palestinians are not children, but they're following their leaders, their shepherds. Those leaders are psycho-maniacs who are doing anything possible to ruin others' lives and theirs as well. Now, we all can have those theories (what if Palestine will ever win and have an independent land), but it will never happen. You all can support them as much as you want, but it's useless. The only solution to the conflict, is empowering more and more their territories, and keeping them under control. Sorry if it sounds too tough for you, but that's the complete honesty from my side. Israel is enough small territory, separating it evenly, will make our country way too little. This proposal could have been accepted if the Arabs would have proved any kind of honesty in their words. All they do is arguing, bribing, negotiating - they already forgot about the will to have a separate state. All they think about is just to keep themselves more armful and hazardous. So, of course, Europe believes to their manipulations and provocations, they will continue doing it and receive more and more power. But in the end, they'll reach nothing - and they have dealt with it. Nowadays, they're intentions are to eliminate as much as possible from the Jewish nation, though they're not really capable.
There's a slight difference between Nazi Germany and Israel. First, the hate Nazis had was for no particular reason. Israelis have a long-term conflict with the arabs, and like it or not, but Israelis have the motivation in hating arabs as much as arabs hate us, no matter who's right, it's based on common history. As well as, the governance of Israel is a bunch of little (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es who have got no balls to finish the job. Additionally, most of the Israelis, don't support executing a genocide (neither me, I am against it). So, don't compare Israel to Nazi Germany as you don't really have a clue about what you're talking about.
Neither did the Zionists, but from the first they wanted the land and they wanted the Palestinians gone.. Read the minutes for the first Zionist Congress.. They wanted Jordan, a piece of Syria and Lebanon as far as the Litani River. Chaim Weizmann tried to forcibly expel the rest of the Palestinians in 1950.
So, Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinians publicly, but Israel Government does? The nation of Israel wasn't against Arabs, and they were trading, working, meeting, smiling at each other and helping each other. But after the war of '48, that all has disappeared as Israel won those territories and isolated Palestinians from Israel. So, fairly? You're not being objective, let's go honest now. Israel conquered this land, Israeli soldiers died for this land - what can we do that fate decided Israeli-Jews to have those territories and not the Palestinians? You're all going about Zionist propagandists and famous personalities, but let's speak about those millions who weren't supporting that war? And let's take a look in today's situation... How much Palestinians are supporting Hamas? And you can't say there are not much of them, as they're proud of being a part of Hamas and they're shouting it all over on the interviews and the press. Stop being pathetically hypocritical, seriously.
Sorry, the European immigrants mocked the Arabs early on and told them they would be slaves. Also .. do note the Zionist terror gangs were formed in 1920-22.. Hamas didn't exist until the mid 1980s.
Gangs, well, it wasn't about gangs. It was about settlements, and there was only one organization that was securing those settlements. But I am saying, those territories you're speaking about, were conquered in '48. Compare the situation that was in '48 among Jews, and today's situation with Hamas. How many Jews supported the government's decision? Not many. How much of today's Palestinians support Hamas? Not less than half of a million, I assure you.
Thanks, being called an anti semite by a Zionist whose whole ideology is anti-semitic makes me laugh! Who is it who believes that Jews cannot live in peace in the Diaspora? That would be the Zionists then! I again say that Jews are more than welcome in the UK, they will find little anti semitism and need not live in fear or as thieves on others land. We must not forget that the majority of Jews choose to live in the Diaspora, not on stolen Arab land, not in fear and proving everyday what a liar Herzl was.
This reminds me of the Nazis addressing the Jews in the 1930's. The Nazis held much the same opinions of the Jews that some Israeli Zionists have of the Arabs today. .
It isn't though, is it? It isn't just America or Europe who are warning Israel. It is your own people and your own people who have most knowledge about such things. A few days before the UK Backbench debate recognising the Palestinian State, we got to see a documentary where several ex Shin Bet leaders told everyone how no Israeli Leaders apart from Rabin had tried to come to a two state resolution with the Palestinians. Possibly you will think 'of course, we would find such a person a traitor'. If so I will tell you that the Shin Bet Leaders said that if someone did not push Israel towards doing so, she would end up having won all the battles but she would lose the war - that is you would indeed lose Israel. (I know this documentary was also shown in Israel so you may well have seen it.) They however are not the only Israeli's who have been saying this. A short while later 100 ex Generals and others sent a letter to Netanyahu urging him to move towards recognition of a Palestinian State along the lines suggested by the Saudi's 2002 http://972mag.com/100-ex-generals-to-bibi-reach-a-palestinian-regional-accord-now/98374/ The Shin Bet Documentary was not the only information provided by Israel before the UK Parliament Debate. The below petition was sent to our Liberal Democrats and from there disseminated to the rest to help people in their choice of vote. http://972mag.com/israeli-petition-to-european-lawmakers-recognize-palestine/98807/ and just on the 24th of this month, that is two days ago, Former Mossad chief Shabtai Shavit came out with this article continued here http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.628038?v=FDB3D6C610510366B7D9076B0F88D6AA (PS I think it is against forum rules to call someone an antisemite rather than arguing what they present.)
It is a waste of my time to even consider responding... You have not supplied evidential proof of Hamas Statements... for their Charter has not yet been cancelled... My last word BALONEY...
Here is a last minute bulletin that puts your above message as a null and void opinion... IDF Spokeperson Office SMS Thursday, November 27, 2014 IDF: Moments ago, shots were fired from Gaza at an IDF routine patrol operating along the fence. No injuries were reported, the vehicle was damaged. In response, a shell was fired towards the source of fire. ________________________________________ IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis Viva your Hamas Shiva_TD
http://news.yahoo.com/talks-begin-palestinians-reach-israel-150337674.html Since it's inception the Hamas Charter has called for the elimination of the Jewish State of Israel but in their own words if there is a national referendum on peace with Israel, such as the proposal by the Palestinian Authority based upon UNSC 242 that requires the recognition of Israel and respect for Israel's right to peace and security, Hamas will accept and abide by that decision of the Palestinian People. Hamas is not standing in the way of peace and security for Israel and never has been. In reviewing statements by the leaders of Hamas they've always been willing to accept peace with Israel based upon the will of the Palestinian people. No, it isn't Hamas that is blocking peace between Israel and the Palestinian people as a whole. It's Israel that refuses to accept and comply with the conditions of UNSC 242 that the Palestinian Authority has presented as the path to permanent peace between the Israelis and the Arabs in Palestine. Zionists rely on propaganda in forwarding the goal of Zionism since it's inception. From the early days of Zionism soon after the turn of the 20th Century the goal of Zionism was to evict the Arabs from Palestine (their homeland) and create a homeland for the European Jews. The Zionists have not waivered from this goal one iota in almost 100 years and they've been willing to resort to virtually anything including terrorism, murder and war to accomplish this goal. History reflects this fact. The list of atrocities by Israeli Zionists continued. http://post4truth.com/in-memory-of-the-nakba-a-list-of-zionist-massacres/ In 1967 the 6-Day war was never about Israel defending itself. That was Zionist propaganda to rationalize the invasions of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan in accordance with the master plan of Israel taking control of all of Palestine and evicting the Arabs. History since then has documented that is a fact. That illegal annexation of the Golan Heights and of E Jerusalem came soon after the 6-Day War as well as the illegal immigration of Israeli citizens into the West Bank. All of these actions were calculated moves by the Zionists in their master plan of evicting the Arabs by war, terrorism, and murder from all of Palestine. No, many of us are not deceived by the Zionist propaganda in the OP. It is merely another rationalization to justify the Zionist goal of evicting the Arabs from their homeland so that it becomes the land of the European Jews that had no right to ever be there. The "master plan" of Zionism has never been a real secret and all of the atrocities, wars, terrorism, and murder by the Israeli Zionists of Israel are all in accordance with that master plan. The Zionists are literally no different than the Nazis that wanted to purge Germany of the Jewish People. In Palestine the goal of the Zionists has always been to purge Palestine of the Arab people by any means possible. We are only left to wonder will the Zionist Jews resort to the "Final Solution" of genocide that the Nazis adopted in the 1940's.
The American people is not our enemy. Only the treacherous US government, but it is as much anti-American as anti-Semitic.
