For the last 30 years I have only voted for Presidents who reduce the deficit...

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  1. ButterBalls

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    They're like cancer! Gone untreated results in death of the body!
     
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    I am a liberal , I love big government and dislike people who want to tear down government.

    By the way , here is a fact , in this century the largest expansion of government happened under Republican president – G.W. Bush and he was re-elected by Republican support. Republican talk about small government when they are in opposition.
     
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    Do you have any evidence the information is not correct or is the fact that you don't like hearing it enough for you?

    You can see the website address where I got it at the top
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure the slimy bastards probably are.


    I'm glad you think so but remember should you ever get the one party strangle hold on power that you seem to so desire....

    You will wake up and find yourself with no alternative one day and then when your party starts doing things you don't like you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

    Why don't you just contact your Democrat representatives and tell them that you want them to install a king?
     
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  5. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I posted the factual numbers yesterday. Thanks for asking.

    Is the Clinton surplus due to him or GOP Congress?

    Is Obama deficits due to him, or GOP Congress?

    Pick one and run with it
     
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  6. Endeavor

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    I am sure Democrat will do things I dislike , but it is not today or tomorrow.

    Right now it is just “icing on the cake” to see each election Republican party diminishing. The older white Americans who support GOP is shrinking every election cycle, the minority don’t buy what GOP is selling, the younger generation ( under 40) despise Republican ideology. It is just matter of time Republican party will be irrelevant in American politics.
     
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    What's the benefit to bloated Government?
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    You can always dream. No big bad Republicans can never take that away from you
     
  9. FatBack

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    oh look Obama is also in the top five for the president with the highest national debt. Now the debt is different than the deficit. This time I have included a handy link in case you feel the need to dispute the screenshot. Are you going to tell me this one's wrong too? It's the same website where the last information came from by the way


    https://www.thebalancemoney.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

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    And he also received a Republican Congress for 3/4s of his Presidency. Wanna guess when those surpluses occurred. By the way CBO say you are a little high on the surpluses. Without the benefit of excess FICA collects Clinton's ON BUDGET surpluses in 1999 and 2000 totaled 87 billion.
    The rest of the story is that in his first four years Obama accumulated over $5.6 trillion in deficits; He only started reducing deficits when Dems took the House and did "his" best when GOP controlled both Houses. And we won't go into how Dems lost close to 1000 seats and all levels during Obama's eight years.
    Trump had a pandemic to deal with. Biden has had two trillion dollar deficits with no end in sight.
    Sorry, no. Spending IS the problem. Even through the worst of the Pandemic revenues continued strong - increasing throughout the Trump era.
    LOL, I do - it's always the GOP as I've shown above.
    Because it's BS.
    The problem. G, is explained in the old saying "you can't polish a turd". Probably assisted by the piss-poor job our schools have done teaching civics and government to oor children.[/quote][/quote]
     
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    I will let Republicans answer that question, after all they voted for G.W. Bush. Did you vote for Bush in 2004? Bush expanded the US government more then any other President in last 50 years.
     
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    Obama added 8.6 trillion ( 8 years) that is 1.07 trillion a year.

    Trump added 6.7 trillion (4 years) that is 1.6 trillion a year.

    Seems like Trump added more to debt per year then Obama.
     
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    If that was the case it sure seems like the information at that link would include him and one of the top five debt-inducing presidents yet it does not.

    Who should I believe here? Random internet guy with an unsourced claim or the information at the website?
     
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    Did Obama cut spending or did he increase taxes?
     
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    I don’t have to dream anything. Republican party is shrinking. In last 8 Presidential election, Republican party only won one Popular vote. Majority Americans have been voting against Republican party for past 32 years. The White older generation shrinking 3%-4% every Presidential election. By 2036 Presidential election there will not be enough White Americans vote to get 270 EC .
     
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    That number I provided is from the link you posted on POST # 84. If you don’t trust your own source, I sure don’t expect you to believe me.

    Did you even read the article you put as reference?
     
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    It seems that you have the mistaken belief that only old white people are Republicans.

    Don't worry because I'm sure if this oatmeal brains excuse for a president we have right now somehow manages to get reelected..... By the end of that disaster you won't have to worry about too many people still voting for a Democrat.

    That's if we still have a country of course.

    Do you have a problem with white Americans? You seem to be rather giddy at the thought that they are declining.

    Maybe I should go out and make some random babies? Silly white people have this notion that they shouldn't just randomly reproduce and not be a father to the children.
     
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    None of what you said is relevant, the relevant part is that Trump is not included in the list of the top five presidents with the largest debt.

    Obama is.
     
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    Maybe you should try using your God given common sense. Add up their deficits and divide it by number of years they were in office.

    Trump averaged just under $1.7 Trillion per year, so he was the worst debt accumulator, and its not even close. Its 41% more per year than Obama managed, and with Trump it just kept getting worse the deeper we got into his term, while others (including Obama) the situation improved as time passed.
     
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    You do remember a little thing called the covid pandemic?

    The fact of the matter is Obama is one of the top five debt producing presidents while Trump is not.

    That's the bottom line.
     
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    I never said Obama didn’t add more to debt then Trump. Off course Obama added more after his 8 years. The difference between Obama vs Trump is that Obama added 8.6 trillion in 8 years and Trump added 6.7 trillion in 4 years.
     
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    Nonsense the CBO has been right about economic impacts so rarely as tob render their findings little more valuable than throwing darts blindfolded. Oh and the Dems held the house from 1932 to 1993. The house is where all spending bills must originate.
     
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    Did Obama have a covid pandemic to deal with?
    No... No he did not.

    And yet he still manages to be one of the top five debt-producing presidents of all time
     
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    Yes, Big Bad Government is on the Fascist end of any reality based political spectrum. The differences between BBG Republicans and BBG Democrats is as superficial as wrapping paper on box of feces.

    The progressive Left, in theory, was very opposed to Big Government from the beginning.
     
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    Do I have problem with White Americans ? I sure don’t have problem with White Americans, juts like I don’t have problem with Black Americans or Hispanic Americans, Or Indian Americans or Asian Americans or yellow Americans or brown Americans or Arab Americans or any other Americans I just have problem with conservative Americans.

    You think young people vote republican? Have you been to a university in last 20 years? What do you think we liberals are doing last 50 years? We are indoctrinating all the children in middle school, high school, university. They are all indoctrinated to despise conservative ideology.
     

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