For the Love of the Apocalypse

Educate yourself, if you can steal a moment from your alternate reality.

Trump’s deal with the Taliban, explained

 

It was NOT "all on America". Biden is COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF... THE BOSS. HE IS RESPONSIBLE. He had SEVEN MONTHS AND TWENTY DAYS... and did NOTHING BUT RUN.

The Combined Arms Center at Fort Leavenworth has an office named "The Center for Lessons Learned". By now I'm sure they have a full report. I'm sure we'll never see it.

 

Great left wing spin... SPIN... SPIN... WHEE from the classic liberal rag The Washington Post. Biden had SEVEN MONTHS AND TWENTY DXAYS!!!! He did NOTYHGING BUT RUN... and so fast he got lots of folks killed and armed the Taliban with billions in weapons and hardware. Those DATES... THAT EQUIPMENT... can't be changed by your propaganda.

 

First: Why won't we see it?? Also, does a full report translate into lessons learned or is it just a documentation of the situation?? (like a diary that goes now where and no one does anything to make sure these situations are not repeated?

 

I'm sure Biden won't allow its release.

I'm sure a full up After Action Review (note my screen name) was conducted. That's what Leavenworth does. So it would identify actions taken and not taken down to the individual level... and the results.

 

Thanks AAR.....guy !!!

 

While I agree-- and did at the time, as well, in my posts-- that Biden took his eye off the ball, here, in his desire to finally have us be out of Afghanistan (as he had argued as Vice President, we should be), so did not personally vet the opinions of his military advisors, by finding contrary opinions, and allowing for all contingencies; nevertheless, you are very poorly informed, to believe that the lousy deal, brokered by Trump, was, "cancelled before Trump left office when the Taliban failed to take the first step of establishing a ceasefire with the Afghan government." Please provide some official, or at least credible source, citing this stipulation, and so eventuality.

As I understand it, the problem with President Trump's agreement, is that there were no allowances made for HOLDING the Taliban to any of their own commitments, in the deal. As such, we were actually overdue to be out of the country, when we finally exited, in full.

Trump had also hamstrung Biden, by removing the vast majority of our forces, so quickly, while the Taliban was not living up to its end of the deal, which was supposedly to engage in sincere, power-sharing negotiations with the Afghan government. Had Trump handled his own stint as Commander-In-Chief, with the same level of competence, to which I am holding Biden, he would have made our troop withdrawal contingent upon, and linked in equal measure with, the Taliban's compliance.

But Trump was in even more of a rush to sign a deal to end the war in Afghanistan, than was Biden-- so that he could claim that he had been the one to do so. The only stipulation that Trump was concerned with, was that the Taliban not attack U.S. forces. To top it off, the Trump administration stood at a standstill, when it came to the tremendous amount of vetting that the deal had required of us, if we were to remove our Afghan allies. But-- much like our loyal allies, the Kurds, in our fight against Al Qaida-- Trump F'ed our Afghan friends. THIS is why, alliance with the U.S. will now appear a far more dubious thing, in the eyes of many of those, whose partnership we would seek.

When Biden finally took command then-- and it should not be overlooked that the Trump administration had resisted briefing any of Biden's incoming administration on the progress of things, such as vetting our partners, and making arrangements for their extraction-- the new President was left with too large of a backlog of people to vet, and too few troops, to get any of them out, if they couldn't find their way to the Kabul airport, on their own. The only way, that Biden could have done right by those allies, would have been to reinsert large numbers of our troops, and stay in the country until probably at least the following spring. Had we done so, however, those troops would also be needed to defend against a restarting of Taliban attacks, since they had only ceased, in anticipation of our imminent departure. IOW, there would have been the possibility of the war starting up, once more.

If you do not find these things as comprehendible as do I, as a civilian, then it really undercuts all your claims of military experience. That is, it would only prove that those with your credentials, could still be incapable, when it comes to logistical analysis (which had not been your specialty, anyway).

It should be clear, to any supposed expert on anything of a strategic nature, that the Trump administration's handling of their end of the handoff, was an utter mess. If I were to give Biden a C- minus grade, for his part in our Afghan departure, I would give Trump an "F," on the crafting and follow-through, on his "deal."

 

Excellent post.!!! Summarizes the situation very effectively ....and accurately.

 

Thanks, Mia. I appreciate the compliment, and knowing that my efforts are being read. As always, it is nice to hear from you. I hope it is a pleasant holiday weekend, for you & your family.

 

Wishing you the same: A delightful , relaxing holiday weekend.
In your post , you captured the events as they unfolded and how the various parties played their roles as well as the factors that contributed to the final exit.

 

And you also called me a Trump hater.

 

Thank you for your suggestions, they are more enlightening and informative regarding the dangers we face from the combination of those two powerful entities.

The real threat to our democratic way of life is NOT a foreign source but instead a usurpation of the POWER of We the People by those who will use UNSCRUPULOUS means to deprive us of our power from WITHIN our own government.

 

And yet you VOTE for the GOP that has an AUTHORITARIAN Agenda?

Go figure!

 

Divided peoples BEG!

UNITED peoples BARGAIN!

Unions are STRONGER that Individuals when it comes to facing down BOTH governments AND greed obsessed CORPORATIONS.

By WEAKENING the government of We the People you EMPOWER those corporations to IMPOVERISH We the People.

The GOP is a fully OWN subsidiary of the Wall Street Casino Banksters.

Vote BLUE if you want to STOP tyranny.

 

I certainly hope for the sake of the US that this wilful ignorance is limited to those over 50 because it will spell doom if it includes the younger generation.

 

WTF Billy!!!???

Exhale bro......seriously.

 

Of course you made that claim. It's right here:
" I can post something derogatory about the left or right and it will stimulate more responses than if I present a well thought out case, backed by impeccable sources that show the pros and cons of complex social and political systems. We are hardwired to be emotional rather than logical when it comes to that which matters most to us. We are also incredibly blind to our biases."
What you are saying, to me, is that regardless of argument you make to prove your point, one's bias will not accept it. That happens on this forum constantly.
Humans are not born deeply biased, or racist or religious. We are blank slates. All things we are biased against have been taught to us.

 

I'm not arguing that intelligence should expunge emotion's role. Emotions also have two sides and an emotional argument, for the good of society is OK with me. It takes intelligence to know which side is which.

 

Again, I disagree. There is movement to make people believe that schools dominate parental decision and the central government "trumps" local. The ironic thing is that those that push that belief are the actual ones that want to do just that.
Intelligence shows you that.

 

Live long and prosper

 

Examine what is going on in New Jersey and Kalifornia.......sure, parents are waking up and revolting.

 

Yes, emotions can override intelligence and frequently do but that doesn't negate that intelligence can control emotions. Like you said, it's a learned behavior and that is intelligence working.

 

Yes, they are......but are they in the right? Is the agenda they want the right course? I think not.

 

Most definitely they are right. When it comes to control of government over parents regarding children, it can go to hell in a handbasket!