French Jihadists firebomb french building, Jihad in Europe

Now comes the challenge. Will France stand up for the freedom of speech? Will France and the West capitulate to the calls that are sure to come in the wake of this bombing to stop "provoking" Muslims, and to effectively rule Islam off-limits for criticism? islam has already created Islamic no go zones, sharia law and sporadic riots.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...mbed-after-prophet-Mohammed-announcement.html

 

Man, France went to WAR to appease its muslims. The typical Frenchman has to stiffen that gaulic upper lip, bend over and get raped by Islamic Law. They aren't willing as a culture to fight back.

That is their weakness. Charles Martel is probably rolling over in his grave.

 

First off, Charles Martel (as Charlemagne, etc...) were, what now would be, Belgians. Not French, German or Dutch, although they spoke Old Dutch.

Belgium has a very rich and unique history of delivering the most capable statesmen around...

Secondly,...

Dude, you must be joking! We are talking about the French! Even their radio is regulated as such it can only play x-% of non-Francophone music.

 

How would people react if a Frenchmen firebombed a mosque where anti-Western rhetoric was being spewed?

 

The Muslims are slowly silencing the Western media via terrorism. The NYT and Live Leak have already folded.

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What does one do when one's govt. can no longer ensure physical safety or provide protection for free speech?

 

Vote the limp-wristed progressives out of office. It is already starting in Europe.

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Don you are a lot nicer guy than I am. The way to deal with the intolerant is to go vigilante on them.

 

A good question!

Let us ask the members of these arsoned mosques in the USA whatthey should do in your suggested circumstance?

 

Was any one ever convicted of arson? The Imams and Sheikhs probably burned down the structures themselves for the insurance proceeds. No evidence either way.

 

Nothing to do with everyday muslims or everyday islam.
Just like in the US or UK, there are just some firestarting idiots that like to cite an excuse of somesort for their mayhem.

Find 'em and sort 'em out, but don't lump everyone that has a some sort of common feature these idiots.

 

Shame that prominent Imams and leaders of the French Islamic community disagree with you.

 

Is that a shame? I think not. You can root out the idiots tha speak up.
Leaders often disagree with the populous. Same thing here.

Considering the amount of muslims that are firebombing buildings etc, I guess this isn't as big issue from "everyday" muslims at all. Numbers show the signs and proportionally, muslims as a collective are not repsonsible for almost all subjects you post on. Individuals do not speak for the whole in most societies.

 

Considering the lack of outrage, and how most of the French Muslims live deep in their ghetto's Im not shocked at all. They never intended, or intend to be part of France.

 

Nonsense. Most of the people who live in ghettos look forward to moving out for better conditions; and despite all odds, some do.

 

You just need to give them a bag of money because most certainly are not willing to put effort in it, much easier to steal from the native french.

 

Nonsense. French muslims are native French, are they not?

 

I once asked a guy in Paris if he was from Africa, and he corrected me that he was French from France.

 

In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46.

When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism

 

Not speaking up about the actions of someone, whether a common bond exists or not, does not mean you condone the actions performed. It's extremely tenuous to suggest that this can condone your bigoted attitude.

 

your post does not mention very normal double digit support number for terrorism and such. making it not a few individuals but a widespread phenomenon even in the west many Muslims want more Islamic Law, special treatment and a special status for their religion to be free of any criticism.



http://pewresearch.org/pubs/26/where-terrorism-finds-support-in-the-muslim-world

 

First of all, the article you cite says:
Overall, the 2005 Pew Global Attitudes survey finds that support for terrorism has generally declined since 2002 in the six predominantly Muslim countries included in the study

Second, there are no mention of numbers in the statistics.
If you ask 2 people, both of which support these actions, then you get 100%. That in NO WAY suggests that 100% of Muslims support said action.

Give numbers on these percentages to make them valid.


A group of four muslims in France who firebomb somewhere for a variety of reasons does not mean the millions of muslims around the world hold the same viewpoint. Otherwise I could suggest you, and all Dutch people, are likely a killer as you hold the same viewpoint as that Tabak guy from the Nederlands. ... I could probably get a high percentage of white Europeans that want to wipe the Nederlands off the map... all I have to do is ask 3 or 4 people in the right area.



Compare this to actions of muslims - the number of incidents etc - compared to the number of mulsims in the world. I think this is a more accurate percentage as you cover all muslims actions in all of the world.

 

A group of 4 Muslims firebombed, followed by no condemnation, and mostly positive support means what exactly? They all disagree but just decided to shut up?

And the report mentions numbers.

Appendix

Field dates for the survey, as well as the number of Muslims in each country sample are shown below.

Indonesia April 30-May 16, 200 N=970 Muslims
Jordan May 3-24, 2005 N=967 Muslims
Lebanon May 3-24, 2005 N=563 Muslims
Morocco June 6-16, 2005 N=1000 General public (religion not asked)
Pakistan May 2-24, 2005 N=1203 Muslims
Turkey April 27-May 14, 2005 N=965 Muslims

 

What do you mean? Who would they talk to about it? Is there a global muslim council that all muslims must register complaints with to be announced to the rest of the world?

The KKK may have roots in America, but I don't feel that I have to apologize for them just bceause I am American. They have f-all to do with me. Likewise, the BNP claim to be british, but the average Englishman doesn't need to apologize for the BNP's existence because it's nothing to do with him

Thanks, I didn't note those. So, that's ~5000 muslims (ignoring the Morocco as they may not be muslims interviewed).

http://islamicweb.com/begin/results.htm :
Expected Number of Muslims on the Earth (2000) 1,902,095,000

Obviously this number has increased, but working on 2000 ,... and Math is not my thing.... that is 0.0002% of the Muslim population.


Now I don't claim to believe that if you asked any others, then they would all disagree. Certainly the time of asking, the areas you askm the way you ask a question and so on will get the results you look for. During Presidential campaigns in the US, parties take polls and make sure they ask the correct people the correct question to get the outlook they want.

For example, in Pakistan during the poll here, there was a drone attack by the US which killed 2. I'm not aware of the specifics and likely neither were people polled, but this incident could have skewed the results too.

However, 0.0002% can not be described as indicitive of all the people they are meant to represent. No way.

To me, bottom line is this: 4 guys firebombed the offices.
When 2 billion muslims attempt to firebomb the offices then I'll believe that all are involved. Until then, I'll count 4 as I would count 4 gang members trying to rob a store - part of the country that are idiots and need to be dealt with accordingly.