FREQUENT WEED SMOKERS AND MASS MURDERERS

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  1. Reality

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    That's not Colorado, that's how you fill out a 4473. That's federal.
     
  2. Zorro

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    And wine is 12% alcohol and whiskey 40% and higher. I'll have several glasses of wine, split a whole bottle with a date. We don't split a bottle of Wild Turkey 101. And guess what people smoke less weed by volume to get the same effect as when they had to smoke a HUGE rolled joint. Now they take one hit off a vale machine and done. The potency thing is an uninformed canard.
     
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  4. Zorro

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    Your thoughts on trigger locks that can be deactivated with a breathalyzer?
     
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    I don't get the connection but...........

    If someone is breaking into my house I don't want to have to blow to be able to use my firearm to protect myself and would be especially worried if the battery was dead in it when I needed it.
     
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    I wasn't serious. I want you to have ready access to properly secured effective self defense. Biden says that a rimfire .22 is all you need, just make sure you shoot them in the eye.
     
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    LOL... um, marijuana decreases violent tendencies. But almost any rebellious teen will at least try it, and continue to use it if they like it. Very much a waste of time, what you propose.
     
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    You might take a deeper dive into the stats before you draw too many conclusions.
     
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    At no point did I argue cannabis does not cause mental impairment or intoxication.
     
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    There...... fixed it

     
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    True. Because theres little to no data for it. Just like how theres little to no data for how many people avoid being injured or killed by criminals that fear getting shot by their victims.

    Its all part of why we need to stop trying to prevent bad things from happening by restricting people and their access to products, and why instead we should be incentivizing and educating them to pursue healthy, constructive alternatives to crime and violence.
     
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    I started smoking pot in the early 70s. We called 4% pot Dirt Weed. We also avoided it.

    The actual potency of pot is more complicated than your statement. There are 2 (for the sake of simplicity) types, Indica and Sativa. Indicas tend to have some CBD. I used to blend cheap hash (which is usually Indica) and cheap pot (which was almost always a Sativa back then). The cheap pot wasn't dirt weed, but it also wasn't a whole lot better. I got a real nice stone that way. If you don't know what hash is, it's the resin from a pot plant. I was a poor college student, you could do a lot better than that if you could afford the fancier grades of pot.

    I got a little pot from a biology student in the 70s, it was an early hybrid, and it was really strong.

    Just to be clear, in my distinctly unhumble opinion, 20% THC (or more) is horrible without CBD. I can't stand it even with CBD.

    The best research on pot was done by a guy in Israel. He set off a wave of research that completely changed our understanding of pot.

    I guess what I am saying is your Drug War propaganda is just that, propaganda. Federal law kept scientists from doing much research, and none of the good stuff. Back in the 70s, Cancer Docs noticed their pot patients lived longer. They started looking into it, and the Feds came down on them, hard.

    We could have saved or extended the lives of countless thousands, and made their existence a lot less miserable. I know, I had cancer and the pot helped a lot.

    This is complicated stuff, but the way Nixon's Drug War has f***ed people over, there are just no words. It's good the countries like Israel allow significant research.
     
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    Lol...yeah, that's why Holland is the murder capital of the world.
    This nonsense plumbs new levels of stupidity in the desperate attempts to distract from the mass murder epidemic in the US abetted by the nra and its cowardly lapdogs.
     
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    Nicely done, as someone that has been to Amsterdam, and been in pot establishments, yowza. Simply standing becomes like an Olympic event.

    I like to have a nice cup of tea at moments like that. Smoking will leave you dehydrated, low blood sugar and lethargic. A cup of tea will help with all of that. You can try coffee, but that tends to dehydrate you a bit. After that the only thing you're going to massacre is whatever is available to eat at that time of night.
     
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    This is only one guy, so it's anecdotal as hell.

    He was a psychotic, the state wanted to put him away, but his mom wouldn't hear of it.

    He would hang around criminals and get into fights in dive bars. I was sure his fate was sealed. Whenever he started to go off, his brothers would get him stoned. He has a nice kid, well, the kid is an adult and Dad did a good job of raising him in difficult circumstances. You never know.
     
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  16. Zorro

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    The association between marijuana use and violent behavior is real. The Cheech and Chong view is a half century old and describes much much different marijuana.

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    [​IMG]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC7084484
    A Review of Cases of Marijuana and Violence - PMC
    "Marijuana use is also indicative of intimate partner violence . Consistent use of marijuana during adolescence was the most predictive indicator of intimate partner violence . Also, marijuana use during adolescence was associated with perpetration or both perpetration and victimization by an intimate partner in early adulthood."

    [​IMG]https://www.psychologytoday.com › us › blog › the-new-brain › 201603 › marijuana-use-may-increase-violent-behavior
    Marijuana Use May Increase Violent Behavior | Psychology Today
    "New research published online in advance of print in the journal Psychological Medicine concludes that persistent use of cannabis may cause violent behavior as a result of changes in brain function..."

    [​IMG]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › 32121373
    A Review of Cases of Marijuana and Violence - PubMed
    "Here, we present 14 cases of violence with chronic marijuana users that highlight reoccurring consequences of: marijuana induced paranoia (exaggerated, unfounded distrust) and marijuana induced psychosis (radical personality change, loss of contact with reality)."


    [​IMG]https://www.lawyersreadytofight.com › 2022 › 04 › 25 › marijuana-violence-crime-is-there-a-link
    Marijuana, Violence, & Crime: Is There a Link? - Razumich & Associates, PC
    "Marijuana use may make you more violent and more likely to commit a crime. Researchers have long debated a link between marijuana use and violence. A 2016 Cambridge study titled "Continuity of cannabis use and violent offending over the life course" directly addressed this. Cannabis and Violence"

    [​IMG]https://www.brainfacts.org › Thinking-Sensing-and-Behaving › Diet-and-Lifestyle › 2016 › Marijuana-Use-Causes-7-Fold-Increased-Risk-of-Violent-Behavior
    Marijuana Use Causes 7 Fold Increased Risk of Violent Behavior
    "Marijuana use and violence New research reported in the journal Psychological Medicine, concludes that continued use of cannabis causes violent behavior as a direct result of changes in brain function that are caused by smoking marijuana over many years. Marijuana use and violence"

    How many more school children need to be murdered by rage killings by marijuana smokers before you are ready to do something effective to stop it?
     
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    Reefer Madness 2022!!!

    This is just silly. You can't get a pot head to clean his apartment, much less get the energy together for mass murder. Maybe, on a good day, he'll drive slowly to the store and shoplift a couple of twinkies.

    That being said I'm totally fine with a clean test for re flag or background checks. That is as long as you're testing for everything and not just weed.
     
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    It's the same.

    As I tried to point out earlier, we need research, but the good stuff. You don't see much of that in the states. Let's assume some of that is real, even then, you are going to need solid research to convince people, and that just doesn't happen here.

    And, as I tried to point out earlier, you're dealing with peoples lives. My wife needs a new hip, but until she gets it, she can't sleep without the medicinal pot I make.
     
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    I'm fine with that and applaud you diligently caring for your bride. But, there will be those who will attempt to use Red Flag laws as tools to essentially ban as many guns as possible. Just something to keep in mind. Gun regulations in our system are subject to strict scrutiny. They must be:
    1. justified by a compelling government interest
    2. narrowly tailored to meet that interest
    3. and be the least intrusive means of meeting that interest.
    Keep in mind, that means to satisfy prong 3 there must not be a less restrictive way to effectively achieve the compelling government interest.

    I do not expect that regulations requiring drug testing of gun purchasers, or prohibiting marijuana users from possessing firearms, to ever even remotely satisfy 2 or 3, but, there are those that are quite frustrated at our textualist Courts that make sure our regulations are carefully tailored so as to not unnecessarily step on our rights.
     
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    We've wrecked a lot of lives with pot convictions. For what?
     
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    For the belief that its moral/ethical to use the force of the state to make other people comply with our personal morals/ethics.
     
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    We all know what opinions are like.
     
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    Thats nice but this OP is about Pot .. where there is zero corrolation between pot and mass murder.
     
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