FREQUENT WEED SMOKERS AND MASS MURDERERS

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  1. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LMAO…reactionaries are a hoot.
    Your view is almost a century old.
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    The link you claim is not real "statistically significant" .. nor are the conclusions drawn from any of the studies you posted. What is "real" is your lack of understanding of statistics - and your desire to make law on the basis of fallacious utilitarianism - as all good extremist Blue authoritarian collectivists.
     
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  3. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

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    What most miss is that the 2nd is obsolete.
     
  4. TCassa89

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    Another doltish theory that isn't even in the ballpark on explaining why the US is the only country with this problem.
     
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  6. Zorro

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    What most miss is that human rights that predate government are never obsolete.
     
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    It says right there in the opening words, militia...

    We didn't have an army, and the militia was intended to buy a little time so we could form one. We now have the most powerful military in the world, and a number of armies. You have the right to join the army, or the National Guard, or the Seals, or the Wacs, for all I care.

    IOW, obsolete.
     
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    Highest among developed countries.
    Act like a 3rd world country long enough, you get to be one..
     
  10. Zorro

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    In the NY case for which we are awaiting a decision, the fact that the government has no responsibility to protect came up, and that's a principle of US law that has been reaffirmed in several decisions. The Court's point is that your personal security is ultimately up to you.

    Now in the NY case, oral discussion indicated that the NY regulations that require licensing both for in home and public carry, and that permit only issued if a good reason was supplied by the citizen, was likely to fail strict scrutiny as an impermissible burden on our natural right to effective self defense.

    So from there, the discussion went to "where and in what circumstances is it permissible for the state to insist that the citizens disarm?" The concern there among what appeared to be a majority of the justices is that the exceptions would swallow the right if not properly bounded. That led to a discussion of whether the government should be presumed to have a legal responsibility to ensure your safety if they require you to disarm? Which in a sense is your point, that we no longer need to take responsibility for our own security because the government has assumed that responsibility. Actually it has not, but, that point was discussed. And the Court majority seemed to be of mind that if the government requires the citizen to disarm that it should, in those limited areas where disarming is required, take on an affirmative responsibility to guarantee your safety.

    Since the party requesting relief in this case never asked for that, I do not know how much, if any, of that will make it into the final decision, but, it's very much a discussion worth having.

    We do not want an approach to our safety that falls between the barstools: that is, we are prevented from ensuring it, and the entity requiring us to disarm does not pick up the responsibility.

    What are your thoughts on that point?
     
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    Not all of them. Many are eating snacks and posting on PF! :)
     
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    Sorry but this is one of the dumbest correlations I've ever heard from this guy and takes some serious mental gymnastics to quantify...

    Children by and large not being raised in the traditional nuclear family anymore, unrestricted access to ANYTHING on the internet, social media echo chambers and "communities" for any and everything you can imagine much of which aren't good, unlimited supply of alcohol ranging from fruity flavored spiked kool aid tasting crap to full blown moonshine, youth being doped up with a ridiculous number of mind altering prescription drugs at a young age by licensed physicians...

    Naw it's the WEED man...

    You know what else has been linked to more and more mass shooters? Shoes. All of these guys had shoes on when they did this. Kessler needs to conduct a study on the correlation between wearing shoes and wanting to go out and murder 20 people.
     
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  14. Zorro

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    Fake News. Clearly you didn't bother to review the data I linked to. We are 6th out of the 11 developed nations that I picked out of the list below.

    Country Small Arms Survey Population (million) Number of Shooters Number of Attacks per 100,000 People
    Brazil 8 184.2 14 0.00
    United Kingdom 6.2 60.1 1 0.00
    Italy
    11.9 58.7 1 0.00
    Bangladesh 0.5 144.2 2 0.00
    Germany 30.3 82.5 2 0.00
    Argentina 10.2 38.6 1 0.00
    Indonesia 0.5 221.9 30 0.00
    Mexico 15 107 11 0.01
    Myanmar 4 50.5 12 0.01
    Netherlands 3.9 16.3 1 0.01
    Venezuela 10.7 26.7 5 0.01
    Uzbekistan 1.5 26.4 3 0.01
    Zimbabwe 4.4 13 2 0.01
    Ethiopia 0.4 77.4 12 0.01
    Austria 30.4 8.2 1 0.01
    Saudi Arabia 35 24.6 11 0.01
    Turkey 12.5 72.9 25 0.01
    France 31.2 60.7 18 0.01
    Iran 7.3 69.5 17 0.01
    Egypt 3.5 74 22 0.01
    Laos 1.2 5.9 0.02
    Senegal 2 11.7 4 0.02
    United States 88.8 296.5 57 0.02
    Slovakia 8.3 5.4 1 0.02
    Yugoslavia 10.662087 4 0.02
    Belgium 17.2 10.5 3 0.02
    India 4.2 1103.6 530 0.02
    Guinea 14.6 9.5 4 0.02
    Norway 31.3 4.6 1 0.02
    Haiti 0.6 8.3 4 0.02
    South Africa 12.7 46.9 21 0.03
    Russia 8.9 143 70 0.03
    Bosnia 17.3 3.8 2 0.03
    Ivory Coast 18.2 0 0.03
    Serbia 37.8 10.7 3 0.03
    Peru 18.8 27.9 14 0.03
    Thailand 15.6 65 53 0.03
    Tunisia 0.1 10 5 0.03
    Liberia 1.6 3.3 2 0.03
    Mauritania 1.6 3.1 0.03
    Rwanda 0.6 8.7 5 0.03
    Switzerland 45.7 7.4 3 0.04
    Georgia 7.3 4.5 4 0.04
    Azerbaijan 3.5 8.4 5 0.05
    Macedonia 24.1 2 0.05
    Namibia 12.6 2 2 0.05
    Nepal 0.8 25.4 23 0.05
    Cameroon 2.8 16.4 14 0.05
    Honduras 6.2 7.2 12 0.06
    Finland 45.3 5.2 3 0.06
    Kosovo 19.5 1.70578 2 0.06
    Tajikistan 1 6.8 8 0.06
    Democratic Republic of the Congo 1.4 60.8 70 0.06
    Chad 1.1 9.7 10 0.06
    Mali 1.1 13.5 21 0.07
    Niger 0.7 14 16 0.07
    Philippines 4.7 84.8 145 0.08
    Kenya 6.4 33.8 60 0.08
    Syria 3.9 18.4 32 0.09
    Armenia 12.5 3 9 0.10
    Sierra Leone 0.6 5.5 12 0.11
    Israel 7.3 7.1 13 0.11
    Pakistan 11.6 162.4 470 0.12
    Uganda 1.4 26.9 62 0.13
    Lebanon 21 3.8 9 0.13
    Sri Lanka 1.5 19.7 51 0.13
    Sudan 5.5 40.2 116 0.14
    South Sudan 5.5 8.108877 25 0.15
    Angola 17.3 15.4 52 0.18
    Colombia 5.9 46 163 0.18
    Yemen 54.8 20.7 109 0.25
    West Bank and Gaza Strip 3.4 3.320396 16 0.27
    Algeria 7.6 32.8 271 0.30
    Burundi 1.2 7.8 49 0.31
    Nigeria 1.5 131.5 823 0.33
    Somalia 9.1 8.6 78 0.45
    Guyana 1.2 0.8 10 0.50
    Solomon Islands 0.4 0.5 6 0.60
    Central African Republic 1 4.2 59 0.71
    Afghanistan 4.6 29.9 508 0.87
    Iraq 34.2 28.8 567 0.97
     
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    Did you even look through your own link?

    Average (Mean) Annual Death Rate per Million People from Mass Public Shootings (U.S., Canada, and Europe, 2009-2015):
    1. Norway — 1.888
    2. Serbia — 0.381
    3. France — 0.347
    4. Macedonia — 0.337
    5. Albania — 0.206
    6. Slovakia — 0.185
    7. Switzerland — 0.142
    8. Finland — 0.132
    9. Belgium — 0.128
    10. Czech Republic — 0.123
    11. United States — 0.089
    12. Austria — 0.068
    13. Netherlands — 0.051
    14. Canada — 0.032
    15. England — 0.027
    16. Germany — 0.023
    17. Russia — 0.012
    18. Italy — 0.009
     
  16. Zorro

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    Actually there is no correlation between legal gun owners and unlawful gun violence, yet, whenever the decision makers on the Left bring up new regulations, they tend to burden law abiding gun owners while deliberately steering away from the folks who are actually committing felonies.

    Come back when you are serious about ensuring that felons are not illegally armed.
     
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    Did you even read through the article?
     
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    They aren't serious about making sure felons aren't illegally armed that's the point.

    It's not my nor society's fault that the current laws that are already on the books aren't being enforced. Why in the literal hell is it that almost every time I hear about a mass shooting it comes out that the perpetrator was "known by law enforcement" for some various reason? I posted the raw stats in another thread. The past 5 mass shooters bought their firearms from the store. The 5 most deadly mass shootings were conducted with firearms purchased from a store.

    Yet we are seriously trying to say weed is an underlying cause? I am 100% in favor of being able to purchase firearms from the store, but trying to attribute this rise in mass shootings to weed legalization is absolutely asinine.

    I'll make it clear in case there is some confusion among folks. It is literally impossible to make an argument against weed while hard liquor is legal, period. No, screw the random page 5 of google search study somebody found about weed and violence by some random doctor. If weed is somehow a negative contributor to anything in society but alcohol being legal is not then whatever argument trying to be made is invalid by default, period.
     
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    If only they were parents speaking up at school board meetings, then the FBI would be interested.
     
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    I am beginning to think statistics needs legal protection from hacks.

    "The U.S. endures the most mass shootings in the world, with—depending upon one's definition of a mass shooting (see next section)—somewhere between 21 and more than 600 in 2020. A 2015 Politifact article correcting then-President Barack Obama’s statement that no other advanced country experiences mass shootings like the U.S. cited data from 2000 to 2014 to prove that mass shootings do indeed happen in other advanced countries. However, the article conceded that the U.S. experienced 133 shootings during that period, while the next-highest total was Germany with six."

    And the rate is still increasing...
     
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    Your "study" is flawed.
     
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    Screw you. I've taken more than my fair share of "illegal" drugs over the years, but I haven't so much as even punched someone since I was in like 10th Grade.

    Tell me, where in the Constitution does it grant government the authority to ban "drugs"?

    Also tell me why it is I have absolutely NO concern about my percosets, which I take a lot of, being contaminated with fentanyl? Because they're legal, made by legit companies instead cartels, and retailed by legit pharmacies instead of street gangs.
     
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    Its almost as if no other country has pot smokers!
     
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    Yeah, well—you're a voice in the wilderness.

    I have a barrel you can shout down. :)
     

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