God created sin - Change my mind

I know the truth. Why should I care what a man thinks in contradiction to that? I have been a man already. It isn't all it's made up to be. The world is blind. Besides, psychologists are often some of the craziest. They wear masks to appear benign. It is their superpower. But in secret they see therapists themselves. Then they repeat what they have been told.

But if I tell you that Gods spirit came to me and in so doing healed me of blindness and restored my memory and the finding of life in him, you say I am crazy. Either way, whether I tell of God or man, who is the greater? When you thirst, you drink water. When the thirst returns, you do so again. You do this your whole life and are never satisfied. Yet you keep repeating it, thirsting to drink to thirst to drink... God filled my cup once, and I have never thirsted again for the truth. So what signifies crazy?

When I knew of no God, I had nothing to say. Then I knew of God, and had of which to speak. He is my cornerstone.

 

Mary was likely about 12 yrs old. Maybe as old as 14.
She was likely traumatized and perhaps blocking out the memory?

 

Let's hope it never asks you to take another's life.
Like some mom was told when she drowned her kids in a bathtub.

 

Such people are so few in America as to be negligible. The vast majority of murders are committed on general principles which are contrary to the commandments of God.

 

Why was Abraham commanded to butcher and cook his son as a meal for his god, even though the god subsequently ate an old ram instead?
And why was Joshua commanded to butcher all the women and children in Jericho & Ai & Hebron etc?

 

God can convince many people to do many things.

Here's a small sample size.

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https://listverse.com/2022/04/29/10-people-who-did-terrible-things-because-god-told-them-to/

 

A therapist told you? Comparing 'spiritual' with natural is rather silly?

 

I've never been inclined to murder. Nor is it Gods standard counsel. If you fear becoming a murderer, maybe the problem is you rather than God. Like I said, and it is common knowledge, that in America essentially all crime is by general principles, having nothing to do with God.

 

The issue is, those deeply entranced in hearing god in their head or dreams, will do whatever those voices or dreams tell them, afterall, they came from god.

 

I think you're missing the mark. Those who are averse to the teachings of Jesus Christ and who give way to envy, jealousy, lust, pride, hate, vengeance, covetousness, boastfulness, self righteousness, drunkenness, and who generally push God away, make up the bulk of mankind and crime. And so, are the far greater threat at any given time. In concept, it's like worrying about assault type rifles when you are twelve times as likely to be either stabbed or beaten to death. And crimes in America by people who claim God told them to do it are so miniscule in number are negligible in comparison.

 

If your god commanded you to kill your son like Abraham was commanded by his god, would you kill him?

 

Were I Abraham, I'd do what Abraham did because I would be Abraham. I'm not Abraham.

 

Eh, I have serious doubts that the entity that was portrayed as the god of Abraham is the same entity that Jesus represents. I view Yahweh, the Old Testament "god" as a misguided higher entity that made some serious mistakes in trying to guide humanity. I think Jesus was a later attempt, and a completely different entity, in guiding humanity, using a different approach.

But I also have a different take on the nature of god, so I suppose take my opinion with a grain of salt if its not your thing. I think we are all god, simply experiencing itself from infinite perspectives. So in a sense, both Yahweh and Jesus were God, but then again, so are we.

 

Completely sidestepping the question.

If God ordered you to kill your child, would you?

 

Injeun quote.

I see the evolution of man as a philosophy of convenience, whose origin or past is buried by the extinction of the species from which it supposedly evolved. The time span is so long, that the theory can only be discerned or extrapolated thru scientific study of remnants, bones, and DNA, spanning millions of years, as there is no practical validation for confirmation. So in common terms it might be said to be a rancher who is "all hat and no cattle."

Evolution is progress.
Two lifeforms merge into one organism for first time in a billion years
For the first time in at least a billion years, two lifeforms have merged into a single organism.

The process, called primary endosymbiosis, has only happened twice in the history of the Earth, with the first time giving rise to all complex life as we know it through mitochondria. The second time that it happened saw the emergence of plants.

Now, an international team of scientists have observed the evolutionary event happening between a species of algae commonly found in the ocean and a bacterium.

“The first time we think it happened, it gave rise to all complex life,” said Tyler Coale, a postdoctoral researcher at University of California, Santa Cruz, who led the research on one of two recent studies that uncovered the phenomenon.

“Everything more complicated than a bacterial cell owes its existence to that event. A billion years ago or so, it happened again with the chloroplast, and that gave us plants.”
The process involves the algae engulfing the bacterium and providing it with nutrients, energy and protection in return for functions that it could not previously perform – in this instance, the ability to “fix” nitrogen from the air.

The algae then incorporates the bacterium as an internal organ called an organelle, which becomes vital to the host’s ability to function.

The researchers from the US and Japan who made the discovery said it will offer new insights into the process of evolution, while also holding the potential to fundamentally change agriculture.

“This system is a new perspective on nitrogen fixation, and it might provide clues into how such an organelle could be engineered into crop plants,” said Dr Coale.

The papers detailing the research were published in the scientific journals Science and Cell.

The scientists involved came from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), the University of Rhode Island, the University of California, San Francisco, UC Santa Cruz, the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Institut de Ciències del Mar in Barcelona, National Taiwan Ocean University, and Kochi University in Japan.

 

No, I am missing no mark.

Those who have killed in the name of god were not adverse to god's word. They hear it, seen it, whatever it is one does when they have these conversations with god, and did what they believe god wanted them to do.

Those things you listed above were not related to anything I was posting about.
Those crimes may be miniscule, but they were still driven by god telling them to do so in their minds.

Wars throughout history have been driven by a god telling a leader of a country to go invade another country.
There have been christian against muslim wars in this world.
And they believe the same god of abraham.

There's a war going on in Israel at the moment because of god of abraham.

 

Thanks for the perfunctory biology discussion, entirely unnecessary. I expect you really don't understand biology, and hence why the immediate reference to wiki cause they are never wrong.... But okie dokie.

Back to the original idea though. Since God created sin, but also forgiveness and repentance...the lack of sin simply makes a world where no one could ever have free will. At that point, life is coded and without meaning at all. Is that what you're trying to advocate for?

 

I somewhat agree with you that we are Gods. It seems reasonable to me that were we the offspring of zebra's, we would be zebra's. So because we are the offspring of God, therefore we are Gods in spirit though somewhat crippled by the blessing and miracle of mortality. What distinguishes us from him and in him, from one another, (individual talents aside) and from the animal kingdom, is the priesthood like power of individual free choice, the presence of evil, and the light of conscience to discern right from wrong. And so, there is the most high God who is God in and of himself. And there are we who are Gods in the making, in the hope of attaining to a fullness of his character thru our sacrifices and faith, and ultimately by his power and grace. Otherwise we wouldn't even be or have ought to say, much less to attain thru our meager efforts.

Your idea that we are God attempting to realize himself, is a unique perspective. It is said that the immortality and eternal life of man is Gods work and glory. So your idea is a peculiar variation of that saying. But I don't think that he needs us, rather that we need him.

As for the said difference between the character of God in the OT and NT. Jesus who is central to the NT said he came to fulfill the OT law. Thus he initialed the OT. He also said the remainder of the law and prophets in the OT would remain viable until the end of the earth. But that goes to belief in Jesus as the Messiah. For me, I do.

 

Unstable people and false gods are no reflection on the true God. And I think you are also confusing the God of Abraham with the God of Muhammed who is driving the Mideast conflict. Your intentions to keyhole my testimony of the true God with evil, is baseless in reason. I've already explained to you that in America it is the godless who are, by and large, the proven criminal actors. But were you right, then you should watch you step because over two hundred million Americans identify as Christians. Clearly this fact is no threat to you because you know that you are talking trash and bearing false witness so as to undermine the truth. Which spirit puts you in the camp of the very criminal mindedness in which you would have me shackled in your dark little make believe torture dungeon in your soul. What do you have to say for yourself?

 

If your God ordered me to kill my child, I would not. If the true God required it, I would. Keep in mind that God stopped Abraham after proving his fidelity to God.

 

Is that because Abraham's god preferred to eat mutton instead? Or was Abraham having a psychotic episode when he wanted to butcher and cook his son?

 

Nope. I'm just pointing out that it isn't a sin to be homosexual, given that Jesus was probably a homosexual since he loved a particular disciple who laid on his breast, and that homosexuality is just a normal part of the intersex spectrum like men with Swyer syndrome.

 

I've no doubt that Jesus was married, whatever the Bible says.

 

But the bible doesn't say that, or that he loved a woman and not just another bloke who laid on his breast. And he said nothing at all about homosexuality, except to ask his followers to accept that some men don't marry because they are so born from their mothers' wombs.

 

The god of Abraham and Muhammed is the same god, and commanded Abraham to butcher and cook his son, and commanded Joshua to butcher all the women and children in Jericho & Ai & Hebron etc in order to steal their land. And unlike the Jews, Moslems accept Jesus as one of their important prophets even though Jesus's parents and family didn't believe him.