Golden Dawn Head Assaults Athens Mayor

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

She gave me the horn back in the day, I can tell you that. Still sexy as hell now.

 

Theres less plastic in a blow up doll.

 

I hope I was not been over optimistic here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/03/nigel-farage-ukip-change-british-politics

 

Modern day Greece IS truly a 19th century creation .Absurd as it might sound to you , but
Modern Greeks are NOT direct descendents of the ancients.

There were no "Ancient Greeks" since the word "Greek" was not coined until after the Roman conquests, approximately 600 years after the establishment of the City States and approximately 150 years after they were conquered by the Macedonians.

It is also well known that the ancient City States were never united politically and never established themselves as a single state. In fact they existed politically independent from one another and fought each other for economic dominance of the region.

The name "Greece" was imposed on the modern Greek Kingdom by the Great Powers Britain, France and Russia. Modern Greeks call themselves Hellenes (Ellines) and their state Hellas (Ellas).

By using the name "Greek" to refer to both the ancient and modern people, the Greek state falsely implies descent for the modern Greeks from the ancients.

(1) continuity between the ancient City States and modern Greece, and

(2) that there was some sort of political unity between the ancient City States themselves where no such unity existed..

In reality the words "Greece" and "Greek" were popularized by modern 19th century writers. There are no ancient maps or references with the words "Greece".


The Romans made some references to the ancient people living in Sicily as "Grecos" but they referred to the region south of Olympus as Achaia.

During the Ottoman era the people living south of Olympus called themselves Romeos (Romans).

Greece is a newly created state which never existed before the 19th century. The Kingdom of Greece, occupying the region of Morea, present day Peloponnesus, was created for the first time in 1829. Between 1829 and 1912 the Greeks enlarged their territory to present day Greece, by conquering Epirus, Thessaly and 51% of Macedonia.

At its inception Greece stated out with a small population of less than one million people, most of whom were Albanians, Slavs and Vlachs with a small minority of other ethnicities. By the time Greece conquered Epirus and Thessaly, its population grew to three times its original size. In 1907 it registered a population of 2,600,000. After it conquered Macedonia and exchanged populations with Turkey, its population tripled. In 1928 Greece registered 6,200,000 people. 1,100,000 of them were Christians, refugees from Asia Minor.

After the Treaty of Lausanne in July 1923, and after the population exchanges with Turkey, Greece declared itself homogenous consisting of 100% pure Greeks with a very small Muslim but ethnically Greek population.

It is estimated that after Macedonia was conquered, occupied and had some of its population evicted, more than one million Macedonians still remained and were included among the Greeks.

Modern Greeks are direct descendents of the ancient Greeks"

There were no "Ancient Greeks" since the word "Greek" was not coined until after the Roman conquests, approximately 600 years after the establishment of the City States and approximately 150 years after they were conquered by the Macedonians.

It is also well known that the ancient City States were never united politically and never established themselves as a single state. In fact they existed politically independent from one another and fought each other for economic dominance of the region.

The name "Greece" was imposed on the modern Greek Kingdom by the Great Powers Britain, France and Russia. Modern Greeks call themselves Hellenes (Ellines) and their state Hellas (Ellas).

By using the name "Greek" to refer to both the ancient and modern people, the Greek state falsely implies descent for the modern Greeks from the ancients.

By using the name "Greece" to refer to both the ancient and modern states, the Greek State is falsely implying;

(1) continuity between the ancient City States and modern Greece, and

(2) that there was some sort of political unity between the ancient City States themselves where one did not exist..

In reality the words "Greece" and "Greek" were popularized by modern 19th century writers. There are no ancient maps or references with the words "Greece".

The Romans may have made some references to the ancient people living in Sicily as "Grecos" but they referred to the region south of Olympus as Achaia.

During the Ottoman era the people living south of Olympus called themselves Romeos (Romans).

Greece is a newly created state which never existed before the 19th century. The Kingdom of Greece, occupying the region of Morea, present day Peloponnesus, was created for the first time in 1829. Between 1829 and 1912 the Greeks enlarged their territory to present day Greece, by conquering Epirus, Thessaly and 51% of Macedonia.

At its inception Greece stated out with a small population of less than one million people, most of whom were Albanians, Slavs and Vlahs with a small minority of other ethnicities. By the time Greece conquered Epirus and Thessaly, its population grew to three times its original size. In 1907 it registered a population of 2,600,000. After it conquered Macedonia and exchanged populations with Turkey, its population tripled. In 1928 Greece registered 6,200,000 people. 1,100,000 of them were non-Greek Christians, (Slavs/Vachs etc)refugees from Asia Minor-.l

After the Treaty of Lausanne in July 1923, and after the population exchanges with Turkey, Greece declared itself homogenous consisting of 100% pure Greeks with a very small Muslim but ethnically Greek population.

It is estimated that after Macedonia was conquered, occupied and had some of its population evicted, more than one million Macedonians still remained and were included among modern day Greeks.

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Beware of Greeks - bearing falsehoods .

The Macedonians know the truth. (wink)

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Bugger, i did look for a Nigel Farage pic to rely to your post earlier. It certainly can change, sometimes quicker than expected.

 

Thanks , I had to look it up . coz thought it was a typo and you meant iridescent .

 

LOL. That's true.

 

but it's greece. that says enough. they haven't been powerful for some 2500 years now, they can go nazi if they want. It has about as much impact as vietnam being commie. And as long as they don't destroy old stuff, which they might actually renovate instead, i'm fine with letting the greeks have a go with fascism if they want to. It could also be good to have a contemporary fascist country to point to if you want to discredit fascism. unless they try to sneak away from responsibility like commies do in regards to cuba and china.

 

iridescent fascists sure would be more of a pleasant sight no? haha

 

IMO _ Farage will , in time prove to be no better than the rest of a devious bunch of scoundrels .

"We have a political system that awards office to the most ruthless, cunning, and selfish of mortals, then act surprised when those those willing to say + do anything to win power are equally willing to do anything with it. " ----Michael Rivero

Profile: Nigel Farage, UKIP leader

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20543513


( a former City " commodities" trader ----wheeler/ dealer ? Hmmm.

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Well a country that kept voting Thatcher in, What wid you expect? :shrug:

Guess there is not much left to question as to where to put the tick for Independence

 

Well, strictly speaking Greece, the country, is a 19th century creation yes. I might's well say that now, but we're discussing the people anyways right? So how are we defining 'descendant from'. Hopefully, after I've corrected a few mistakes here and there we'll get a clearer picture.

That logic is lacking, you might as well say that persia didn't exist until the greeks came along and named it persia since the persians called it Iran. the word 'greek' is of latin origin and was most certainly coined before their conquest of greece since Rome had much contact with them and it would be kinda wierd if they didn't have a name for them until they took them over. And by the way, southern italy which was greek way before the romans ever sat foot in mainland greece was called magna graecia so it's not foolish to suppose that they also called the inhabitants graeci. The greeks called themselves hellenes, and to just be plain here, what the romans called them is irrelevant to any of this. it's just so simple that there's a different word for greek in greek, and I find this logic really wierd. By the way, there's talk about 'greeks' in the illiad by homer even, and that's just at the start of antiquity.

A nation, a people, is not per definition politically unified. Of course there were athenians, thebeans and spartans but they were all greek, just like hamburgers (not the food), frankfurters (again not the food) and aacheners are also german. Did you know that germany consisted of many small independent states after the abolition of the holy roman empire by napoleon and before the re-unification under prussia? Surely you're not going to deny that they were german, but it's the exact same thing with the greeks.

During ottoman times, and a thousand years before too, the greeks called themselves romaioi yes, but that is because they saw themselves as roman citizens. later greek culture is in fact a mix between greeks and romans.

Ugh, this is really silly. You might as well say the same about italy, germany, india and many other countries. The people don't have anything to do with this anyways as I've said before.

and yeah sure, most people were albanians and slavs when greece fought for independence.. what biased site are you getting this from?

beware of slavs stealing greek identity and branding it as their own?

 

Its always possible any pollie can sell out. Ive been subscribed to his YouTube for a long while now (wish we had one of him her in Oz) he's been saying the same thing since the early days when everyone wanted to smear him as a right wing extremist Nazi. Hardly the path to popularity, but he's over come that, continued pushing his message and now people are starting to look past the bumper sticker smears and listening. Nah sorry i just dont see it, i think he's the real deal.

 

They could do an academic version.

The Golden Don.

*I'll get my coat*

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I'd still do the wild thing with Jerry Hall.

There.

Said it.

 

UKIP are no worse than the Tories or Labour, or the Lib Dems.

Maybe not even as bad, given they do not have a track record for lies and mass murder.

 

Here as an example of it, in practice.

You will understand why I chose this example.

Italian irredentism in Malta refers to past support in Malta for Italian territorial claims on the islands. It is therefore not be confused with Italophilia. Although Malta had ceased to be part of the Kingdom of Sicily since 1814 following the Treaty of Paris, Italian irredentism in Malta was only of some significance during the Italian Fascist era.

The Fascists invested heavily in promoting Italian culture in Malta. They were making overtures to a minority who not only loved Italy's language but also saw Malta as a geographical extension of the Italian mainland. Malta was described as "the extreme end of Italian soil" (Senator Caruana Gatto who represented the nobility in the Maltese in 1923).

The battle, however, was still being fought in largely cultural terms, as the "Language Question" on the role of Italian in education. This led to the revoking (the second) of the Maltese Constitution in 1934 over the Government's budgetary vote for the teaching of Italian in elementary schools. Italian was eventually dropped from official language status in Malta in 1934, its place being taken by Maltese. Italian ceased to be taught at all levels of education and the language of instruction at the University of Malta and the Law Courts. When Italy entered the war on the side of the Axis powers and aerial bombardments of Malta began, what little interest in Italian irredentism that existed in Malta was lost. The colonial authorities took precautions: they interned and eventually deported to Uganda 49 italophile Maltese including the leader of the Nationalist Party, Enrico Mizzi.

A number of Maltese living in Italy participated in fascist organizations and joined the Italian military forces during World War II. Among them were Carmelo Borg Pisani, Antonio Cortis, Paolo Frendo, Ivo Leone Ganado, Roberto Mallia, Manuele Mizzi, Antonio Vassallo, Joe d’Ancona and Carlo Liberto. Carmelo Borġ Pisani attempted to enter Malta during the war, was captured and executed as a spy in 1942.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_irredentism_in_Malta

 

Yep, it took fascism last time to wake people up to the failures of capitalism. It led to a period of great reform between the 1930s and the 1950s. Unfortunately too many stupid people ignorant of their history, have tried to turn back the clock, and reimpose the conditions of failure for capitalism. Maybe we will see the rise of fascism again, and it will be awful, but maybe it will have the same effect again (I am just trying to be optimistic about the (*)(*)(*)(*) situation we find ourselves in now).

 

I would put it the other way round with the Conservatives but not with the Lib dems. UKIP are worse. They have managed to get some semblance of respectability but it was not too long ago that Farage considered a deal with the BNP to try and get them more seats and I think they even admit that they are full of rampant racists which they claim not to want.

The sad thing about UKIP is that it has managed to fool one or two decent people. English people do not have anyone to vote for

 

UKIP would not make much headway up here.

The entire standard is dire, because the foundations are toxic now.

There is no way around this, something has GOT to give, because there is no way things will trundle along like this for another ten years.

The bankers, the corporate whores, all of them, they have gotten too greedy and gallus, they are drawing too much heat to themselves, and if they do not relent, I think Europe will explode.

If anyone thinks Germans are afraid to get out into the streets...think again.

All this is going to come down like a house of cards, imo.

[video=youtube;apV2Ifp7woA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=apV2Ifp7woA[/video]

This is what I think Americans will not grasp.

Yes, they have their guns, but no direction or unity, no offence, but there IS a difference.

I promise you this.

If the poor here get more crap, and the greedy more greedy, Europe will explode.

 

You back in Scotland? No they won't. Be good for independence vote though. Imagine having to put up with a UKIP government when he got maybe 3 votes in Scotland!!

Germany is very far from that but I have seen the videos.

Well, if these people are right, not long to go.

http://www.moneynews.com/MKTnews/Ma...ntist/2013/03/13/id/494569?promo_code=13001-1

Look I can remember saying about 10 years ago to my daughter that things were not going to continue like they were. It wasn't real and it looks like it is coming to an end. I noticed yesterday the Stock Market was at over 6,400 and now look at that link above. We need to think again. I agree we are being played but look this time the Stock Market up about it's highest and are we seeing the benefit? Not one bit - not in Scotland or England or N Ireland or Wales - and nor in Ireland!

I agree we have to find a way to tell these global gamblers to (*)(*)(*)(*) off but I do not agree with doing that in a violent way.

Realistically we, I think, need to understand we are not going to have throw away money again and so we need to think more of community and other values like quality of life rather than quantity of bank account.

 

Never been that bothered about accumulating money and things anyway, to be honest.

I even had a £10 phone, that takes no pics.

I'm happy with it, I don't need or want all that crap app stuff, and I don't want a £500 I Phone, it seems too much bother, and for what?

My old mangle of a PC is 7yrs old, I will shag it out, then replace, not before.

I am happy with it.

It permits me to spend money on those I care about.

 

They are not nazis and they dislike Germans as much as everyone.
They are deeply christian and actually this is the reason i mock them: "i am a child of Aristotelis and you kneeing before a Jewish (*)(*)(*)(*)" .

Fascism in Europe is used as a scapegoat to cover the misery neoliberalism has caused , every molecule in my body is communist but i would gladly join forces with Timur or even the black plague virus to eliminate "free market" neoliberal scum from the face of the earth.

Pasok and ND are only strengthen the XA ( it is XA not GD) with such moves and they know it , get a clue....

 

Well - that post has a bit of everything

This is an enemy of my enemy is my friend situ, pretty much.

Not saying I disagree with it, btw.

 

Why? Do you have nothing to eat?