Golden Dawn Head Assaults Athens Mayor

What about a Scottish = of Golden Dawn.

Something that would really capture the heart of the nation?

The Cloudy Fry Up.

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Our logo could be a simple cloud, with a fried mars bar in it.

 

It's usually English, Scotland haters who suggest that sort of thing.

 

Here's an article which may suggest Mutmekeps position. Now I did not see this so do not know whether what it says is true. What is interesting is what it says of the general mood in Greece.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/03/06/uk-tv-shows-golden-dawn-hatred/

If this is true Mutmekup, it does not look good.

 

Why?

I prefer to be self effacing and not take everything so seriously.

 

I didn't see it as that. I realised after it was a joke. It is just that there are some things too serious to me to joke about and any suggestion of Scotland in any way being associated with Nazism is one of them. That was how I read that at first.

 

Way to deep Alexa, way too deep...

 

Come on ladies, sort yer quotes!

 

Well be a good Swede and end it!

 

The modern day relationship of the Greeks to the Ancient Hellenes is 60% which is not bad considering main land Greece was a Crusader State, with over 360 Frank castles. Later on the whole area was colonized by Venice and Genoa as well as by Florence and Ragusa...not to mention the Catalans. Anyway it was proven even before the DNA tests by a book in the Smithsonian called 'People of Lerna' which was written to combat the pure race theory of the Nazis. The bones were examined and proved that the Ancient Greeks had exactly the same physical characterists as the modern Greeks.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Macedonians were a Greek tribe in Northern Greece who united the Greek city states the same way Bismark united the Germans. Too bad Alexander is not around. I would love to see what he would do to you if you told him he was not a Greek.

As for the name though you are right, they called themselves Hellenes, children of the god Helen. The name Greco was a Hellenic tribe in Greece who worshipped the Grey goddess, at least according to Graves. I don't think so though, I think the name was given because they had an ashy blond tone to their hair, something which is still common among Greeks today.

You are right again. Alexander united the city states so they could fight their ago old enemy; Persia. They did speak Greek though just like the Italian states, (who also fought each other) spoke Italian, and the German states spoke German.

Italy always referred to the Hellenes as Grecos, and that name stuck with the Europeans. The Greeks don't like it, but it is one and the same thing as Hellenes.

Okay you are right here, because the name was chosen by the Europeans who idolized the ancient Greeks and the Greeks continued to use it for European support. When the Greeks want to show they are true natives they refer to themselves as 'Romans'. They have always been referred to as Romans by the Franks and Italians, and even today the Turks call them Rum.

In order to differentiate between the culturally Greek speaking Roman Empire which began after Justinian, from the Latin speaking Roman Empire, Gibbons as well as other Europeans began calling them Byzantines and that has stuck as well.

As I said the Romans always called the Hellenes Greeks. The Achaians were one of the Hellenic/Greek tribes, as were the Dorians, Arcadians, Macedonians, etc.

Again as I said, the Greek speaking people were always known as Romans because they were part of the Roman Empire. and the lands in that part of the world was known as 'Romania', land of the Romans. Today the name only refers to a small nation that speaks a Latin language rather than Greek.

Actually in the Middle Ages there were four languages spoken in the Morea: French, Greek, Slavic, and Rumanian (Vlachs). The Albanians were further north. Southern Greece was a crusader state with 360 Frank castles, so that when Greece received their independence, France tried to make it a colony. Regardless the people are genetically 60% Greek.

The Ottoman Empire was torn apart by the allied forces after WWI, and Attaturk needed a country so he ethnically cleansed all the original inhabitants of the Eastern Roman Empire, (Byzantine). This included the Christian Assyrians, the Christian Greeks, and the Christian Armenians. At the time they were working on the Treaty of Sevres in Paris which would have divided Turkey into sections according to the populations living there. The coast along the Aegean with the ancient Greek city of Smyrna was to become part of Greece since the majority of people were Greeks, as well as the Pontus area in the Black Sea. Attaturk killed off most of the Greeks in the Pontus, the ancient Kingdom of Trebizond along with the Armenians, and set fire to Smyrna forcing the Greeks towards the sea.

Under the Treaty of Lausanne the Greeks were to remain in Constantinople, since they had always been a majority, but in time Turks from the hinterland immigrated there and the Greeks left during the persecution and pogroms of the 1960's.

There is only one Macedonia and it is a province of Northern Greece. The area the Skopjians refer to as Macedonia might have been under the Macedonian kings at one time, but so were the Persians and I don't see them calling themselves Macedonians, do you? The province was given that name by Tito because of expansionist reasons, and the Skopjians are continuing to use it for the same reason. .

They are being ridiculous, why don't they just give it up.

 

See.

J can get her quotes lovely.

You other pair are a disgrace -

 

indeed. I don't quite like the font tho.

 

Let me quote something from Isokratis

Athenians sold themselves as slaves due to debt before Solon the lawmaker and the vast majority of their non Athenian slaves were from the island of Aigina ... 17 naval miles from the center of Athens , yes the kids of slaves were free Athenian citizens but they were Greek as well.
Mongrels ?
Yes we Hellinised hordes of barbarians through the strength of our culture and the shine of our civilisation how this is a bad thing?
There are people who can see the light, embrace cosmopolitanism, respect other cultures and assimilate their best aspects and there are others who think bloodline and genes are of some vague importance

 

thx for Socrates quote (wink)


See my earlier post - it was a quote from Piso from historian JohnShea book "."Macedonia and Greece, The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation" .

I think it was to rebut modern greek pretentious claims after the Treaty of Lausanne in July 1923, and after the population exchanges with Turkey,
when Greece declared itself homogenous consisting of 100% pure Greeks with a very small Muslim but ethnically Greek population. which was ofcourse not true. (wink)


I hope you'll agree there was no such people as 100% PURE Greek.

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there exist no such things as "pure anything" unless it's an incestous retard. I don't know why you bring up genetics, it's completely irrelevant.

 

You better tell that to modern day Greeks who claim to be 100% pure Greeks and direct descendents from the ancient city states. .
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heh heh "Golden Dawn" anyone with a clue auto thinks Mossad and CIA!, man when is the world going to have enough of these two orgs never ending false flags?

Heh heh, Golden Dawn"Freaking retard mossad!

 

if by pure greeks they mean a mixture of all the people who have ever ruled greece, and lots of other people, but still maintaing genetics very similar to ancient greeks, they can very well go ahead and claim that. But I doubt they mean it that way, so they should probably get a news flash that lots of people have been in and out of greece over the last 2500 years.

 

It should be irrevalent except that Greece today has been invaded by hordes of Pakistanis, Bangladeshes, Kurds, Afghans, etc. shipped in via Turkey. A Chech helicopter pilot was shocked to see Turkish police helping the migrants set off for Greece as he guarded the borders. In the last three months of last year alone, thirty thousand migrants entered Greece. There is now almost a million illegals in a nation of ten million and what is worse, they now want mosques. Of course these migrants are not to blame, they suffered unimaginable hardships to get into Europe, and that's what makes the situation so tragic.

In addition to those shipped in from Turkey, the Albanians cross the border continuously. The Southern area in Albania is predominantly Greek and was annexed by Albania during Greece's civil war, so they are welcome, as are the hard working Albanians. Many of the Albanians entering though are criminals so that Athens in the past decades has turned from the safest city in the world, into a city in which every home is secured with a three to five bolt lock and iron shutters. The elderly are not only robbed, they are killed as well.

Recently they found that criminals have been given new passports with new names so they can re-enter Greece. The EU has seventy thousand names of Albanian 'undesirables' on record. There are political reasons for this invasion of Greece by predominantly Muslim Albania. After the Turkish foreign minister Devotoglu visited Albania, Berisha made a speech in which he claimed areas of Greece, Fyrom, and Serbia as being part of Albania.

In much of this Europe is to blame. They passed a law that migrants must be returned to the country they came from. When these migrants leave Greece they are shipped back to Greece, but Turkey in turn will not accept them back even though it has signed an agreement, so Greece is stuck with them. Greece should have known by now that Turkey does not honor treaties and found some other way to stop them...but it didn't.

To make the situation even worse, there are subversives shipped in with the migrants. When three hundred and sixty forest fires start the day the trade winds begin to blow and trees are kindle wood because of the summer drought, it can't be by accident.

 

Population exchanges also happen between Greece and Bulgaria , Yugoslavia and Albania.
My family came from Albania somewhere between 9th and 11th century , we consider ourselves pure ethnic Greeks , all ~1,5m of Arvanits consider ourselves Greeks , after all we started the independence revolution and we did most of the fighting.
Aromanians are ~300k and they consider themselves Greek too , many of our Pri Ministers were Aromanians .
Pomaki are like 50% of the muslim minority and they are Thracian natives
Slavic speakers are like 20k and they had the chance to leave during population exchange with Bulgaria.
Gypsies (Tsigani) fought on our side in all our wars so the country is as much theirs as it is ours , the guy that liberated my city was Gypsy
If you exclude the Slavs, like 70k Turks and aprox. 200k Tsigani the rest we are of the same Thraco-Illyrian origin so same race
So yeah we are over 98% pure ethnic Greeks.

 

I am, of course, not saying that because greeks themselves aren't "pure" that somehow justifies mass immigration into greece. Quite a sad story you bring up also.

 

So, to return to the subject, how many here think it's acceptable for the head of a political party which wants to be taken seriously, to assault another elected representative? The brain-dead Nazi thugs who do this stuff (Golden Dawn), obviously do. The first immigrant murders are sure to follow soon-after all there are convicted felons within their ranks.
Their glorious leader served jail time for planting bombs in cinemas showing 'left wing' films, and four of Golden Dawn's members of parliament were expelled and are undergoing criminal prosecution.
These are the kind of people being defended by certain members of this forum.