Gov. Ron DeSantis accuses President Biden of making pandemic worse with lax border security

You think it's empty? Is he doing anything about people come in through his borders? I've read various articles that contradict each other about illegal immigrants being tested (but not necessarily quarantined) at the Texas and AZ borders.

How does DeSantis handle this down your way?

What are you classifying as the unfortunate part? Does the party have enough time for him to learn stuff the hard way? Do you think he would be well received outside Florida? What's the appeal, in your opinion?

 

Because it's true.

The Conservatives will soon - if not already - form the majority of the sick.

It's inevitable.

Millions (36%) refuse the vaccine and are proud of it.

There are consequences to the choices we make and if they are willing to die for what they believe is their freedom, so be it.

 

The statistics may be correct. I'm asking you why you would say that you would be happy about them being in the hospital on respirators? You would actually gloat because someone from another political party is sick and dying in a hospital?

Nobody wakes up and says to themselves "Let me see what I can completely screw up today!" They are making the choices they believe to be best for them. That's how we all make our decisions - on what we think is best for our individual situations.

 

What is he doing? Nothing. He using that issue to deflect and shift the blame when Covid is brought up. Thats why I said we need leadership, not petty blame-game. Most people understand the Covid surge is not caused by illegal immigrants, and most people understand the borders are not open if 178 000 people are arrested and deported on monthly bases.

Unfortunate path = populist path, where he does and says things with the sole purpose of tickling the ears of certain section of the population, mainly the Trump voters. He knows he is popular among them, and that might be enough to win re-election in FL even though he is currently not leading in the polls anymore. They say that during primaries you need to appease the base and then move toward the center, but if you spend years building your image solely on appeasing the base, then that is who you are, and it might be too late to come to the center. People won't buy it. IMO is not doing himself a favor by going all-in with populism.

 

I'm not happy that people are dying, I'm happy that they are taking responsibility for their choices, no matter how stupid they may be.

 

Your gloating is premature... so do us all a favor... go away and check back in a "few months"

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Maybe I misread your post then. What did you mean by "We will both be happy, but for very different reasons."?

 

I'm sure you'd feel the same if someone here said they were glad to see those who received the vaccine have severe reaction or side effects or even death.

 

More than other governors, he relies heavily on the Spring break and Summer attraction revenue so his hand may have been a more difficult one to play. I'm not excusing the finger pointing and such but I always go back to the question "What is the *total* cost of this pandemic?" It's not strictly a case or death count. At some point, we all had to face the harsh truth that the virus wasn't going away and life had to move on. He may have just been feeling that squeeze earlier than other governors and made the decision to stay open for kids on Spring break and Summer break 2020.

It also sounds like he is copying Trump's play to minimize the virus and its impact. I was really, really hoping that Trump would leave the hospital after his treatment for COVID and really step up to the plate and get behind an action plan to wear his mask, socially distance and lead us through this. He could have done a 180 and gained so much support for it. Instead, he went right back to calling it the "China virus" and still didn't really engage (showing that he understood what we, the people, were facing all over the nation).

I'm not sure that's a good approach for DeSantis. He's not Trump (as you know, I do not like him even a tiny bit but he has the power of persuasion, for sure) and things people overlook in Trump are going to stick out on anybody else like a sore thumb. Yes, it's vital for his longevity to align with "the team" but breaking away to show the rest of the nation that he has the chops for the presidency will be a hard sell if he keeps ticking off the people in his own state. You may have to do a "search and rescue" on @apexofpurple (lol) = not a happy camper with DeSantis at the moment.

 

Of course Biden's secret COVID Motels filled with infected illegals, in unsuspecting neighborhoods is spreading the disease as is reckless behavior by the vaccinated.

"WWDD?*" GOP Governors Must Stand Up to the Medical Authoritarianism of Biden Administration.

"*What Would DeSantis Do?"

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/465804/

Hardest Hit States:

State - % of Active Cases - % of National Population
CA - 32% of the cases and 12% of the population
VA - 11% of the cases and 3% of the population
MD - 8% of the cases and 2% of the population
WA - 4% of the cases and 2% of the population

All four Blue States, all overrepresented with COVID cases compared to their population by 2 to 4 times.

FL on the other hand, has 6% of the active cases and 6% of the population, so right where a reasonable person would expect them to be.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Authoritarian Left Always Wants Mandates On Everything:

Should intolerant totalitarianism from the Left be a surprise? No. There is NO evidence that vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity and there is evidence that natural immunity is stronger than vaccine immunity.

 

"WWDD?*" GOP Governors Must Stand Up to the Medical Authoritarianism of Biden Administration.

"*What Would DeSantis Do?"

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/465804/

Crazed Authoritarian Leftists Shunning and Canceling for not getting vaccinated, with an unapproved experimental therapy, even when the patient has been advised by their doctor not to get vaccinated.

Time for Red State Legislatures and Governors to Step Up For Liberty Freedom and the Doctor/Patient Relationship.

 

No I'm not at all and also not with Pres Biden either. As dumb as DeathSantis has been he's not wrong about this. A million illegals have invaded America since we changed Presidents and most of them have been COVID positive. Not only has Pres Biden and the Democrat Congress failed to do anything about this but send a couple 'don't come right now' messages (which they never hear btw) but the Biden Administration has been actively and intentionally spreading these illegals throughout American cities knowing they would contribute to the pandemic and the new variants we seeing.

These people should be tossed back across the border the moment they are apprehended and every dollar we're spending housing, feeding, transporting them, and supplying them with health and legal services should be spent on finishing the border wall. That is true on any given day but during a pandemic it is absolutely IMPERATIVE that they not be let in regardless of what it takes to stop them. DeathSantis, in this instance, is correct: Pres Biden is making this pandemic worse with his handling of the illegal invasion.

 

There will be no response with specifics. Leftists don't do that. They throw out allegations that are not supported and then run when called on it.

 

Nice DUPLICATE Thread..

BUT, I think everybody got it the FIRST Time...

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ndemic-worse-with-lax-border-security.590653/

Do you think that PF needs a 3rd Thread (about This)?

Well, since I wouldn't want to be accused of posting off-topic, I guess that I will import my comment from the Original Thread:

Awesome...

Has DeSantis declared 2+2 to Equal 5, Yet?

Has DeSantis declared that There is No Water in the Pacific Ocean, Yet?

Those "DeSantis.Proclamations" (based on the egregiously misguided precedent set by this earth-shattering "Breaking News") would certainly be worthy of multiple threads on the front page of Current Events section.

Oh, and on-topic, as far as DeSantis (and his ludicrous opinion in the OP):

DeSantis is (obviously) a Complete Moron (and is blatantly pandering to the Delusional Anti-Vaxxers).



DeSantis = Delusional Whackjob

 

By reading a prepared remark into a camera, directed at someone who is 500 miles away?

Yeah, real tough-guy,
that DeSantis.

 

But what about Florida's hundreds of miles of shared border with Mexico?? Don't you think that is the real reason for any Covid-related mierda, that has, is, or will happen in FL?

 

I’ve been having neurological and heart issues since since about the time I got the vaccine. Some diabetic neurological issues predates but might have been exacerbated by it. Still getting medical tests.

 

Lol no I'm sure your own words will come up soon enough.

 

Interesting death wishing there. You do realize that there are minority communities that largely vote democrat that have higher vaccine reluctance rates than conservatives? What do you think would be different for them than your wish for some of us?

 

Do you think Biden could beat him? I do not.

 

The fact is, that the states in which people masked up, and got vaccinated, like in the Northeast (I'm in CT), were reopening and getting back to normal, before this Delta wave began. Hard to believe it was mere coincidence that both the initial hotspots, and the currently worst-afflicted areas, are where vaccination rates are lowest. But it's BIDEN'S fault. Right. Maybe he should take a page out of Obama's book, to address the same type of false attributions, by making an ad in which Floridians, unable to find hospital beds, say, "Thanks a lot, Biden," and people being evicted because the money that Biden & the federal Congress sent to states to cover overdue rent & mortgage payments hasn't yet been disbursed by their states, say, "Thanks a lot, Biden," and so forth.

But to get back to my point, though it looks like we are going to have to return to wearing masks, up here, the states with high immunization rates are going to fare much better, economically-- since that was your concern-- and will have fewer people, ultimately, hunkering down at home, or in a hospital, than in Florida, or Alabama, or Louisiana, or Missouri, or Texas, or Kansas, etc.
You really STILL can't see that?

 

I don't blame him for the reopening stuff, because most businesses stuck with CDC guidelines anyway. We were wearing masks in grocery stores, home depots etc until very recently. I am talking about creating bans and mandates to make it illegal for businesses to decide if they want to enforce their own rules or not, cruise industry being a prime example.

Copying Trump is what I call "the populist path", which DeSantis believes is all he needs to win reelection. As for Trump, he had a million opportunities to be the president of Americans, but his style relied on "divide and conquer" which calls for playing people against each other. I hope one day we'll have a president who is the opposite of that. Biden is nothing more than a housekeeper, but I do enjoy the peace and quiet that he brought with his low key approach.

He has potential, but if he continues to play Trump for too long it will become to define him and will end up hurting him more then helping.

Not sure how many being fed and housed, but lets not pretend they just let people walk in. I provided the "apprehension and expulson" data from CBP and they are arresting and tossing out lot of people under Title-42, which is the Covid expedited expulsion order.

U.S. Border Patrol Monthly Enforcement Encounters 2021: Title 42 Expulsions and Title 8 Apprehensions
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/title-8-and-title-42-statistics

 

Trump was bashed relentlessly (and STILL is) over a disease, NOW it's Biden's watch and BIDEN'S TURN. Tough, ain't it?

 

If illegals were the primary cause of COVID transmission, Texas would have a much larger upward curve than Florida.

However, this isn't the case.

The reason Florida has such a strong 4th wave is because conservatives refuse to be vaccinated by 31% compared to 8% for Democrats.

There is no other reason.

 

Pretty sure no one claimed it was. But ANY is too damn much. Florida is purple. Florida is also full of people from the blue states they fled.