Granting foetal personhood

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  1. Montoya

    Montoya Banned

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    No wonder millions of women opt for abortion. Because people like Whaler want to give an unborn glob of cells the right to dictate what a living woman does with her own body.
     
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  2. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Only while she is responsible for the care of the child, after that she can do whatever she wants.
     
  3. prometeus

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    Exactly so.
     
  4. Colonel K

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    A glob of cells is not a child, save your emotive outrage for your ignorant brethern.
     
  5. prometeus

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    Well said.
     
  6. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    You mean while she takes care of a blob of cells?
     
  7. Bowerbird

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    I am very well aware of FAS (foetal alcohol syndrome) are YOU aware that the peak time that teratogens affect the foetus is in the first four weeks?

    http://www.chw.org/display/PPF/DocID/22924/router.asp

    Basically before most women know that they are pregnant

    http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9337

    And that is only a partial list of those drugs we have so far found to be teratogenic
     
  8. Whaler17

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    So are you saying that it doesn't affect the child later in fetal development?
     
  9. Bowerbird

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    No, peak time means peak time it does not mean only time

    If I did not know better I would think this was trolling
     
  10. Whaler17

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    Good thing you know better then right?
     
  11. Unifier

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    Translation from the 1800s: "Okay let us say that the whole legal profession let greed overwhelm common sense and push through legislation saying the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) (negro) is a "person"

    Some people never change. Always determined to dehumanize and legally kill someone who is different from them.
     
  12. Bowerbird

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    There is one unassailable difference between a race of people and a foetus - one is a group of independent people capable of self determination - when you find a foetus that is capable of self determination get back to me
     
  13. Whaler17

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    Do you think you are currently anything more than a "blob of cells"?
     
  14. Whaler17

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    That has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the entities involved are human beings.
     
  15. Bowerbird

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    All but the most severely disabled are capable of even a small degree of self-determination - it might be peeing their pants but they are usually capable of it. Those that are incapable of self-determination are usually appointed some sort of guardian to determine their wishes. If we are talking granting foetal personhood here then we have to establish that the foetus has a degree of self determination
     
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    I am a blob of cells that merge together and grew to create a person. A fetus is a blob of nothing and certainly not a person.
     
  17. Blasphemer

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    There is a profound difference between protecting a fetus from abortion (no person results from abortion, no person is harmed since no person ever exists), and protecting a fetus from harm such as alcohol abuse when the mother wants to carry it to term (damaged child results, a person IS harmed, even if the future person).

    Abortion should be legal, but substance abuse during pregnancy should be not. Either abort, or when you want to carry the child to term, do not damage it. It may sound counterintuitive on first thought that we should protect the fetus from harm but not protect it from killing, but thats what logic based on the rights of sentient life dictates.
     
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    You are clearly mistaken.
     
  19. Whaler17

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    Using your own logic, abortion is CLEARLY AND UNDENIABLY a homicide.
     
  20. Makedde

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    I am clearly right and if you were right, which you are not, you would be able to prove your claim to be true.
     
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    Why? Is refusing unprotected sex homicide, since you also caused a potential future person to not exist with such decision?
     
  22. Whaler17

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    I have repeatedly, perhaps you should read back through the threads before you mouth off.
     
  23. Whaler17

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    Of course not. Killing a potential person is not homicide, therefore killing a sperm or an egg is not homicide. Once the two combine and fertilization has taken place though, an actual person exists and killing that person is obviously a homicide.
     
  24. Blasphemer

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    Implying embryo is a person. You cannot use this argument for those who do not share your opinion about what attribute(s) should constitute a person. I think embryo is still only a potential person at best, just like sperm and egg.
     
  25. Whaler17

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    Well many state legislatures and the fairly recent Unborn Victims of Violence Act ( A FEDERAL LAW) agree with me. Furthermore the notion that a "person" and a "human being" are not synonymous is ridiculous. There is nothing that distinguishes a human being from a person. A zygote, embryo, fetus is a human being undeniably.

    All the wild speculatory sqwawking in the world cannot change this fact.
     

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